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02/14/07 20:23
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#132988 - Steve, Rob & Lynn
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You and I agree much more than we disagree.


Indeed, more than you perhaps realize. I understand the current law regarding patents and copyright. That's not to say I am a lawyer by any means (in fact I've hurt people for calling me a lot less), but I've owned both copyright and utility patent protection (I've never held a design patent).

I may have stated my case poorly, but it was not my intent to argue against our current system. The truth is that given the opportunity to do so, I doubt that I would change much about our current system (except possibly to tweek it in ways suggested by Rob).

My point instead was one of philosophy. Right v wrong, not legal v illegal. This is why I respectfully disagree with Steve when he says that if you receive something for free you should ecpect to pay it back in some way. That is diametrically wrong. If you have to pay it back in any way, either monetarily or via service-in-kind, it isn't free. If I give you something for free, it is unseemly for me to return later and insinuate some kind of entitlement.

If the Open Source zealots want repayment, let them negotiate for it up front. If they want to share their wares for private use only, with the caveat that they remain entitled to any derived commercial value, that's fine too. Just do so up front. But don't come back after giving a gift and demand remuneration.

And if you, Steve, being a decent human being, should choose to make some contribution to the cause, good for you! That's admirable. But don't come back later and give Craig grief about his being unwilling to contribute to the cause even though he is capable. That's not just unseemly, it's downright repugnant.

Rob wrote, concerning my making the comparison to Marxism,
The parallels are certainly there, but it lacks the central planning, and more importantly the mandated exclusion of anything but the central planning.


From what I've read of their posts, I have no doubt that these Open Sourcers would jump at any opportunity to impose their "ideals" on others, and by any means they could. I don't know if they'd call their "plan" a "paradigm" or a "manifesto," but I absolutely belive they would use either civil law or legislation or the decrees of unelected bureaucrats in the Federal Register to compell participation if they could. They're already trying to use flawed reasoning and peer pressure to create entitlement and to coerce cooperation. Why would any thinking person believe they will stop there. As I said before, just because it's legal doesn't mean it isn't wrong. Similarly, whether it's imposed by a king, a parliment or a mob of one's peers, tyranny is tyranny.

As for UT/OU, I really don't have a dog in that fight. I root for the New Orleans Saints. That's pretty much the sum total of my sports enthusiasm. (When I was at UT Dallas, during the Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman heyday of the Dallas Cowboys, I bought a special silk New Orleans Saints tie to wear at my dissertation defense.)



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oh and completely off topic but...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Everyone I know who\'s tried it, hates it            01/01/70 00:00      
      Careful now            01/01/70 00:00      
         half the time            01/01/70 00:00      
            They\'ll \"get the message\" ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Linux, Mac's etc...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You should still be able to get XP            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Retail...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Opps            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Good work            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Uhhh...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              We don't allow Apples, iPods, or cellphones            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Sounds...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    My guys have a work ethic.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Dignity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Dignity means different things to different people            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Jeff ...You're right but You forgot something ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             38            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Ok, 38 going on 22            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Ecomomist            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      This is evidence?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Works            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Old vs Young            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I all honesty re age            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Still no evidence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               The data            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Better...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  common knowledge            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     are you sure it's Spanish....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        the written language is Spanish            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I don't agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        The discrimination ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Age discrimination - why            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              True            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              experienced that one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Yep            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I am sticking with my old system            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Mac            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  it could go either way            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  it is easy to learn a language            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      we get more polite :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I disagree, Rob            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             arbeit macht frei            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                You\'re right, in a sense...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Bingo            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Hmm            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Offices vs cubes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    When coding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       no ... not quite ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          180            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             It keeps the riff-raff out            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                That metric...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I worked once at a very "enlightened" company and            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but I'm an old man ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   How to upgrade            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wait a little :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   is it?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Jumping the shark            01/01/70 00:00      
      Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ref - Happy Days            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ahh            01/01/70 00:00      
         should it be \"Hasta la Vista\"?            01/01/70 00:00      
   a word to the Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
      Subtle humor?            01/01/70 00:00      
         No joke. It's an automatic forward            01/01/70 00:00      
            Unintended joke perhaps            01/01/70 00:00      
               it'll never stop 'till YOU stop buying Micro$oft            01/01/70 00:00      
                  wrong point            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Is it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Been theree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Device programmers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Device programmers            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    at least the LINUX stuff is tested ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Irony Strikes Again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I\'m going blind, I guess ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the fruit basket again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Xilinx software testing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Xilinx            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   IC makers tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      They hire software weenies to test it, if at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Xilinx support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I agree completely, Andy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    In the last year?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Decent WIndows Accounting            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    oh no, not again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It doesn't stop the complainers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Maybe...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          bug reports            01/01/70 00:00      
                              whoi on earth has time for that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 SDCC            01/01/70 00:00      
   such as            01/01/70 00:00      
      such as this            01/01/70 00:00      
         get a life            01/01/70 00:00      
            No need to reply            01/01/70 00:00      
               religious fanatism seems to permeate the            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It\'s FANATICISM, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
      or as            01/01/70 00:00      
         how would that fix a compiler bug?            01/01/70 00:00      
            If someone complains ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I wish them the very best            01/01/70 00:00      
            Define violence            01/01/70 00:00      
               OK, I'll define            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Ok...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Hit the nail on the head            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Open-source products are generated for cause            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Please...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           On deaf ears            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Commercial software            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If I make a product that behaves exatly like my co            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Minix            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I'd like to know, as I do not remember the details            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The SCO case            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Spades aren't diamonds, and there's nothing free            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Monopoly ideas behind patents and copyrights.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              IP            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The deal is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Steve, Rob & Lynn            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Free            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I dont' understant...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Copyrights            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    But what if you die soon after getting a copyright            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       van den            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          "from the"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             In NL, anything above the sea level is Berg... :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                LOL!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Above sea level ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      about 60% or so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         they beat us            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Prove it !            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Mountain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Mountains :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   is that where this comes from            01/01/70 00:00      
   32-bit Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
      Have you tried ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Deja Vu            01/01/70 00:00      
            use the boat anchor approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   XP available if you know where to go            01/01/70 00:00      
      thats where ebay and similar come in handy            01/01/70 00:00      
      Vista doesnt support many DOS programs            01/01/70 00:00      
         don't you get it?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Virtualize, or emulate.            01/01/70 00:00      
            dosemu for linux            01/01/70 00:00      
         Virtual PC            01/01/70 00:00      

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