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02/14/07 04:46
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#132869 - Please...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jeff Post said:

You're absolutely right Rob! All us free/open source programmers are responsible for war, famine, disease, pestilence, and every evil known to man. We did it all. On purpose. When not reading 8052.com messages, we're all on the VastConspiracyNetwork.org message board plotting our next caper. So don't get rid of your tin-foil hat just yet.



Oh please... Save the wild eyed ranting, or at least bring RMS along to do some chanting while wearing an old 14-inch CDC platter on his head. (as seen by yours truely at SVLUG back in the mid 90's...)

You can't have change without breaking a little glass. I'm just pointing out that every time you hear about an open source "win" , someone else likely had to "loose". How the winning and loosing is structured is what counts. One way is a surefire way to build an economy, another... We don't know yet. There appears to be some money to be made in OSS, but the transition I've been thru personally was kind of rough, and my company is one of the biggest contributors of OSS code.

Jeff Post said:

A lot of open source software is cloning of someone else's work.


Hogwash. Have a nice day :-)



Yea... Linux written to conform to POSIX is soooo original.


The problem is IP law, specifically Copyright. Why on earth do we allow 100 year copyrights? More to the point, why on earth do we shoehorn software, which is both published material AND a functional device into a publishing IP model? It doesn't fit. The useful life of software is so short, it doesn't make sense. Short term perhaps, but why should the original Fortran compiler be copyrighted for the next 40 years? There probably isn't any hardware left to run it on, and if there was, who'd derive any commercial value from it? Therefore, it offers no incentive to its authors to create new works. (Ignoring the fact that they're likely all dead...) That's the point of copyright, to provide incentive for more works.


What I see with OSS is copyright enclosing vast swaths of property, and incenting cloning and duplication as an end run around. We need a more flexible tiered copyright mechanism. I'd even be ammenable to some kind of perpetual copyright if it contained a strong mechanism to compensate the loss to the public domain. Say a renewal tax/fee as a percentage of a property's revenue. That way the big movie studios could keep making money off Gone With The Wind, and Steamboat WIllie, while economically sensable to do so, and other works won't rot in archives. With a 28 year copyright, Unix would be free right now, and Linus wouldn't have needed to clone it.



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oh and completely off topic but...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Everyone I know who\'s tried it, hates it            01/01/70 00:00      
      Careful now            01/01/70 00:00      
         half the time            01/01/70 00:00      
            They\'ll \"get the message\" ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Linux, Mac's etc...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You should still be able to get XP            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Retail...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Opps            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Good work            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Uhhh...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              We don't allow Apples, iPods, or cellphones            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Sounds...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    My guys have a work ethic.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Dignity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Dignity means different things to different people            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Jeff ...You're right but You forgot something ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             38            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Ok, 38 going on 22            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Ecomomist            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      This is evidence?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Works            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Old vs Young            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I all honesty re age            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Still no evidence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               The data            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Better...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  common knowledge            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     are you sure it's Spanish....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        the written language is Spanish            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I don't agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        The discrimination ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Age discrimination - why            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              True            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              experienced that one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Yep            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I am sticking with my old system            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Mac            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  it could go either way            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  it is easy to learn a language            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      we get more polite :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I disagree, Rob            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             arbeit macht frei            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                You\'re right, in a sense...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Bingo            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Hmm            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Offices vs cubes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    When coding            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       no ... not quite ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          180            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             It keeps the riff-raff out            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                That metric...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I worked once at a very "enlightened" company and            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but I'm an old man ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   How to upgrade            01/01/70 00:00      
   Wait a little :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   is it?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Jumping the shark            01/01/70 00:00      
      Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ref - Happy Days            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ahh            01/01/70 00:00      
         should it be \"Hasta la Vista\"?            01/01/70 00:00      
   a word to the Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
      Subtle humor?            01/01/70 00:00      
         No joke. It's an automatic forward            01/01/70 00:00      
            Unintended joke perhaps            01/01/70 00:00      
               it'll never stop 'till YOU stop buying Micro$oft            01/01/70 00:00      
                  wrong point            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Is it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Been theree            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Device programmers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Device programmers            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    at least the LINUX stuff is tested ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Irony Strikes Again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I\'m going blind, I guess ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the fruit basket again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Xilinx software testing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Xilinx            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   IC makers tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      They hire software weenies to test it, if at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Xilinx support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I agree completely, Andy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    In the last year?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Decent WIndows Accounting            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    oh no, not again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It doesn't stop the complainers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Maybe...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          bug reports            01/01/70 00:00      
                              whoi on earth has time for that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 SDCC            01/01/70 00:00      
   such as            01/01/70 00:00      
      such as this            01/01/70 00:00      
         get a life            01/01/70 00:00      
            No need to reply            01/01/70 00:00      
               religious fanatism seems to permeate the            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It\'s FANATICISM, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
      or as            01/01/70 00:00      
         how would that fix a compiler bug?            01/01/70 00:00      
            If someone complains ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I wish them the very best            01/01/70 00:00      
            Define violence            01/01/70 00:00      
               OK, I'll define            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Ok...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Hit the nail on the head            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Open-source products are generated for cause            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Please...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           On deaf ears            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Commercial software            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If I make a product that behaves exatly like my co            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Minix            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I'd like to know, as I do not remember the details            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The SCO case            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Spades aren't diamonds, and there's nothing free            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Monopoly ideas behind patents and copyrights.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              IP            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The deal is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Steve, Rob & Lynn            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Free            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I dont' understant...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Copyrights            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    But what if you die soon after getting a copyright            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       van den            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          "from the"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             In NL, anything above the sea level is Berg... :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                LOL!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Above sea level ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      about 60% or so ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         they beat us            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Prove it !            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Mountain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Mountains :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   is that where this comes from            01/01/70 00:00      
   32-bit Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
      Have you tried ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Deja Vu            01/01/70 00:00      
            use the boat anchor approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   XP available if you know where to go            01/01/70 00:00      
      thats where ebay and similar come in handy            01/01/70 00:00      
      Vista doesnt support many DOS programs            01/01/70 00:00      
         don't you get it?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Virtualize, or emulate.            01/01/70 00:00      
            dosemu for linux            01/01/70 00:00      
         Virtual PC            01/01/70 00:00      

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