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05/09/07 21:09
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#138941 - cost?
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Richard Erlacher said:
From what I've observed, Apple has never made anything (aside from a short-lived, feeble attempt with the LISA) that approached a serious computer, opting instead for video toys. Now they're into iPods, etc ... ...


So the 8-core Mac Pro is a toy? There's no competing machine in the Windows world.

If you shop, a ~3 GHz notebook PC with a GB of RAM and a big enough HDD costs <$500 complete with a factory warranty. Check eBay (no, not for second-hand stuff), eCost.com, Pricewatch.com, etc.

I doubt you can get a comparable Mac notebook for 3x that.


In addition to the warranty issue (as in, "good luck getting that off-brand $500 laptop fixed"), there are other things to consider. Compare the screen resolutions and size. Compare the actual processors -- are you getting a dual-core machine or a single-core? Does the $500 machine have Gigabit Ethernet standard? Bluetooth? 802.11g? FireWire? DVD burner? DVI output that lets you run dual-head display?

Start adding those features to the $500 laptop and you've easily tripled the price. In fact, I haven't seen any non-Apple laptop with Gigabit Ethernet and FireWire as an option. Dell won't let me configure the $500 laptop with two 2.16 GHz Core2 duos (fastest allowed is the 2.00 GHz). Choose a 15" display with resolution greater than 1280 x 800 and watch the price go up.

So my point is: if you're willing to compromise (especially on important stuff, like screen real-estate and a separate video processor (not the GMA shared-memory thing)), you can certainly buy a $500 laptop. But compare point-by-point, and you'll realize that the cost of current Macs is comparable to similarly-configured Windows machines.
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Microsoft Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
   i, fortunately have no been exposed but            01/01/70 00:00      
   Avoid Vista.            01/01/70 00:00      
      so, maybe, this time, they can\'t            01/01/70 00:00      
         Last I heard ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sales            01/01/70 00:00      
               what?            01/01/70 00:00      
   companies over here            01/01/70 00:00      
      That makes you suspicious.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Sad but true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Beta            01/01/70 00:00      
   Aero Glass            01/01/70 00:00      
      Downside ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         same here            01/01/70 00:00      
      Did that            01/01/70 00:00      
         pray explain            01/01/70 00:00      
            I believe 2GB is the RAM, not the disk.            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's RAM            01/01/70 00:00      
               I somehow read 200, long day            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You can see the future !            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about Office 2007            01/01/70 00:00      
      Better than what?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Saw it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Look at that            01/01/70 00:00      
            Heheheh            01/01/70 00:00      
               office 2007            01/01/70 00:00      
                  on a related subject            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Backing up MyDocuments            01/01/70 00:00      
                        2TB Tape            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Backing up large disks            01/01/70 00:00      
                           a problem with disks ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        works like a charm            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You can remove my documents from your desktop            01/01/70 00:00      
                     But it's very useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                        did I mention 'robustness'?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Strange            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I may have stated a bit incorrectly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Google is your friend            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    as often stated            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Defaults            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    you will STILL have to change the directory            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Makes no sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                              that is the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    maybe I am, but tyhe underlying factor is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     My Documents ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Windows home directories            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Stupid Folder Name            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Spaces            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Don't mess with the Registry!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Comedy ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Re: Spaces - Cygwin/*nix            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It's simpler than that.            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'm going to sound like a zealot here...            01/01/70 00:00      
      neither content nor style makes you sound a zealot            01/01/70 00:00      
      at what cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hidden costs.            01/01/70 00:00      
         I question...            01/01/70 00:00      
            but ... Apple cleverly hid the useful features            01/01/70 00:00      
               The world moved on...            01/01/70 00:00      
         cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
            True            01/01/70 00:00      
            You just have to know how to shop.            01/01/70 00:00      
            no, it don't and I do not give a hoot            01/01/70 00:00      
               To a recent Mac ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Mac vs. PC            01/01/70 00:00      
               no hoots            01/01/70 00:00      
                  don't know about price, but I havs an 'octopus'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I paid $2 for mine ... and it's not the first ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Multiple displays            01/01/70 00:00      
                           desktop replacement?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Desktop replacement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Our needs are clearly different!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    My laptop            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    clarify            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I don't begrudge you that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          more clarity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Different strokes ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                trackball cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Gee ... things have changed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Laptop use            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Being of a different generation ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Oh, Richard we agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Old Guys            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          i DO use the latest technologies            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          If that's what you think ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Cellphones: not just for business.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                That's why I don't allow 'em IN the office            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   landlines            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Yes, it's lifestyle differences            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         the inventor of the cellphone made one mistake            01/01/70 00:00      
   Vista Sucks            01/01/70 00:00      
      And the worst thing is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      True, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not a solution to every problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Depends on needs            01/01/70 00:00      
               OK, if a Yugo is a 'functional replacement' for a            01/01/70 00:00      
                  replacement ... ... there isn\'t one ... yet            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Analogy?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        SDCC            01/01/70 00:00      
                     in your rebuttal, you confirmed my argument            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ... Be careful what you wish for ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           be careful what you bet on            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You HAVE to make a food-fight out of this, eh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I never said that, I used them, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    irrelevant and immaterial            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       MDS flashback            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I never learned to like those "emulators" either.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             8 inch drives            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 DOS            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Linux is not a Yugo...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     apples and oranges            01/01/70 00:00      
                        faster isn't always "better"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           YES            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ...and pears            01/01/70 00:00      
                           in this forum most people are in the \'51 bu            01/01/70 00:00      
                              YOU look it up ... and learn to spell it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 i catually did look up one before using it            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SiLabs and Linux            01/01/70 00:00      
                     patches, patches, patches            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Do you seriously believe KEIL or Windows is better            01/01/70 00:00      
                        well, I said...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Viruses            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Don't be so sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Because            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Because?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              How, out of interest.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Very            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Nontechnical users            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Must just be me            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I can confirm this            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You should see their scripts...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  same here            01/01/70 00:00      
         not a solution            01/01/70 00:00      
            For you maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
               see my earlier (in the threadlist) reply            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's why I'm leaning toward SDCC!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Others seem to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that is well known, and as they ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't think so            01/01/70 00:00      
            Some software providers have recognized that!            01/01/70 00:00      
               excellent            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not sure what you're asking ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Virtualize ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what does that do to productivity?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It\'s not a simulator ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Linux versions of FPGA tools            01/01/70 00:00      

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