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05/07/07 19:31
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#138751 - Sad but true ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I've had no personal contact with Vista, having been warned off while it was still in beta.

However, everyone (about a half-dozen fellows) with whom I regularly communicate, and who have had contact with VISTA experess frustration. The typical "intended for useful work" configuration is with a >3 GHz CPU and 2 GB of RAM, and an equally huge HDD (>400GB). Every one of these guys complains that VISTA's seldom yielding performance as perceived by the user as greater than 25% the speed of their previous machine which had a < 2GHz CPU with 512 MB of RAM and a 100-200 GB HDD.

Now, these are guys who pay to get performance, and, for the most part, they've breathed a sigh of relief at the fact that the machines they bought came with install/recovery DVD's so they could flush the HDD and install XP so they could get some performance. A couple of them have tried FEDORA with some success. I guess it depends on what you're doing.

Sadly, I've heard NOT ONE good thing said about the new VISTA OS, except that it's more costly in both software and hardware, that many applications that worked fine under '98 and XP don't work properly any longer, and that most of their old DOS programs are either totally useless or severely crippled. Thta means they have to buy something more. This is all good for M$ and the software vendors, but, as I've said many times, what's good for some is ill for others.

Governments around the world have refused to switch and ours, for example, has ordered a hold on all PC acquisitions until the OS question is resolved. Since Fedora and, even better, UBUNTU, have come on the scene, together with MSOffice-workalikes capable of creating and interpreting MSOffice-compatible files, there appears to be little motivation to buy VISTA due to its much greater demands of hardware. The government is also concerned about the built-in security holes that allow M$ and others to verify that your copies of VISTA, etc, are legit, and, thereby, allows anyone who can grok out those security loopholes unrestricted access to your computer and its data.

Several years ago, we found that LINUX runs DOS app's much better/faster than WINDOWS, and that LINUX runs its versions of the same software, where it's available, faster and more with fewer quirks and foibles than Windows.

It looks as though M$ has shifted their focus from PC's to game boxes, where there's still a very substantial market to exploit, as opposed to the dwindling PC hardware market.

I think the M$ guys have stumbled on this one.

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Microsoft Vista            01/01/70 00:00      
   i, fortunately have no been exposed but            01/01/70 00:00      
   Avoid Vista.            01/01/70 00:00      
      so, maybe, this time, they can\'t            01/01/70 00:00      
         Last I heard ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sales            01/01/70 00:00      
               what?            01/01/70 00:00      
   companies over here            01/01/70 00:00      
      That makes you suspicious.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Sad but true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Beta            01/01/70 00:00      
   Aero Glass            01/01/70 00:00      
      Downside ?            01/01/70 00:00      
         same here            01/01/70 00:00      
      Did that            01/01/70 00:00      
         pray explain            01/01/70 00:00      
            I believe 2GB is the RAM, not the disk.            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's RAM            01/01/70 00:00      
               I somehow read 200, long day            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You can see the future !            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about Office 2007            01/01/70 00:00      
      Better than what?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Saw it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Look at that            01/01/70 00:00      
            Heheheh            01/01/70 00:00      
               office 2007            01/01/70 00:00      
                  on a related subject            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Backing up MyDocuments            01/01/70 00:00      
                        2TB Tape            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Backing up large disks            01/01/70 00:00      
                           a problem with disks ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        works like a charm            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You can remove my documents from your desktop            01/01/70 00:00      
                     But it's very useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                        did I mention 'robustness'?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Strange            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I may have stated a bit incorrectly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Google is your friend            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    as often stated            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Defaults            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    you will STILL have to change the directory            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Makes no sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                              that is the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    maybe I am, but tyhe underlying factor is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     My Documents ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Windows home directories            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Stupid Folder Name            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Spaces            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Don't mess with the Registry!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Comedy ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Re: Spaces - Cygwin/*nix            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It's simpler than that.            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'm going to sound like a zealot here...            01/01/70 00:00      
      neither content nor style makes you sound a zealot            01/01/70 00:00      
      at what cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hidden costs.            01/01/70 00:00      
         I question...            01/01/70 00:00      
            but ... Apple cleverly hid the useful features            01/01/70 00:00      
               The world moved on...            01/01/70 00:00      
         cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
            True            01/01/70 00:00      
            You just have to know how to shop.            01/01/70 00:00      
            no, it don't and I do not give a hoot            01/01/70 00:00      
               To a recent Mac ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Mac vs. PC            01/01/70 00:00      
               no hoots            01/01/70 00:00      
                  don't know about price, but I havs an 'octopus'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I paid $2 for mine ... and it's not the first ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Multiple displays            01/01/70 00:00      
                           desktop replacement?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Desktop replacement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Our needs are clearly different!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    My laptop            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    clarify            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I don't begrudge you that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          more clarity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Different strokes ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                trackball cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Gee ... things have changed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Laptop use            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Being of a different generation ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Oh, Richard we agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Old Guys            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          i DO use the latest technologies            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          If that's what you think ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Cellphones: not just for business.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                That's why I don't allow 'em IN the office            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   landlines            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Yes, it's lifestyle differences            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         the inventor of the cellphone made one mistake            01/01/70 00:00      
   Vista Sucks            01/01/70 00:00      
      And the worst thing is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      True, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not a solution to every problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Depends on needs            01/01/70 00:00      
               OK, if a Yugo is a 'functional replacement' for a            01/01/70 00:00      
                  replacement ... ... there isn\'t one ... yet            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Analogy?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        SDCC            01/01/70 00:00      
                     in your rebuttal, you confirmed my argument            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ... Be careful what you wish for ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           be careful what you bet on            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You HAVE to make a food-fight out of this, eh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I never said that, I used them, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    irrelevant and immaterial            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       MDS flashback            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I never learned to like those "emulators" either.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             8 inch drives            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 DOS            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Linux is not a Yugo...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     apples and oranges            01/01/70 00:00      
                        faster isn't always "better"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           YES            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ...and pears            01/01/70 00:00      
                           in this forum most people are in the \'51 bu            01/01/70 00:00      
                              YOU look it up ... and learn to spell it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 i catually did look up one before using it            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SiLabs and Linux            01/01/70 00:00      
                     patches, patches, patches            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Do you seriously believe KEIL or Windows is better            01/01/70 00:00      
                        well, I said...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Viruses            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Don't be so sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Because            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Because?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              How, out of interest.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Very            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Nontechnical users            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Must just be me            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I can confirm this            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You should see their scripts...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  same here            01/01/70 00:00      
         not a solution            01/01/70 00:00      
            For you maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
               see my earlier (in the threadlist) reply            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's why I'm leaning toward SDCC!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Others seem to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that is well known, and as they ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't think so            01/01/70 00:00      
            Some software providers have recognized that!            01/01/70 00:00      
               excellent            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not sure what you're asking ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Virtualize ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what does that do to productivity?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It\'s not a simulator ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Linux versions of FPGA tools            01/01/70 00:00      

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