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10/20/06 18:34
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 		 #126825 - Replacement costs
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I can produce basic 8051s (no flash) for way under a buck.

However, the replacement parts I sell usually go for $5 to $15, depending on the part. I really don't compete in the generic 8051s. I prefer to go after a specialty part that has been discontinued.

So far, my biggest seller is the Philips P87C751 part in the 24 PDIP / 28 PLCC version. The gray market has these parts for about $10-$15, if you can get them. I had a customer of mine buy a large number, only to find out that they had already been programmed (OTP).

I am currently selling a masked ROM version, but am going to switch to my flash so I can service smaller customers (<1K units).

In the -751 application, I only need 2K program space. So do I throw away the other 510K, or do I leave it in, and give existing customers an easy upgrade path?

I am designing the P89C668 device now since Philips just discontinued it. Again, I have the same choice. I need 65K. Do I throw away the remaining 447K, or find another use for it.

This is definitely not a hobby device. And I generally don't make a device unless I have orders for at least 10K.


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TopicAuthorDate
How much flash should an 8051 have?            01/01/70 00:00      
   enough            01/01/70 00:00      
      Code Flash VS Data Flash            01/01/70 00:00      
         hints            01/01/70 00:00      
            Max Clock Speed, Etc.            01/01/70 00:00      
               that\'s a cop-out            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Not a cop-out            01/01/70 00:00      
                     can you sell it for less than $1.41            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Replacement costs            01/01/70 00:00      
                           then please stop arguing one point from the perspe            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The replacement market            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 How will that help?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Flash Reliability            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       not really - look out            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          More on Flash Reliability            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             XRAM replacement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Write-While-Fetch            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That does not appear to be the target.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       6/12 Clock Mode and XDATA support            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Have you looked at the one-clockers?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        How do you propose to fit that in the instruction            01/01/70 00:00      
                           map registers            01/01/70 00:00      
               clock speed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Not a bad idea ... that's what Dallas did!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Clock Speed Reduction            01/01/70 00:00      
                        if you knew the chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                           actually, it does either speed up or slow-down            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Variable clock speed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 clock vs power            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    SIngle clock power            01/01/70 00:00      
               when i did this            01/01/70 00:00      
                  0.35u process & 64K            01/01/70 00:00      
         Big Flash - coda and data!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Does Zylogic = Triscend?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Zylogic; Triscend            01/01/70 00:00      
            that should make it clear            01/01/70 00:00      
         Data Apps            01/01/70 00:00      
   bank switching mechanism (RFC)            01/01/70 00:00      
      Bank Switching            01/01/70 00:00      
         that's how it's done traditionally ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Keil support            01/01/70 00:00      
      bank switching no0t needed            01/01/70 00:00      
         "bank switching no0t needed"            01/01/70 00:00      
            if you read it all            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'd even tend to believe...            01/01/70 00:00      
      No lock IRQ            01/01/70 00:00      
   Parkinson's Law...            01/01/70 00:00      
   The trouble with PLLs            01/01/70 00:00      
      nearly every ARM has a PLL            01/01/70 00:00      
   yeah i understand that            01/01/70 00:00      
      ethernet mac            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dougal was..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry to hear about your misfortune            01/01/70 00:00      
   no not seriously            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't think he hates you, Jez            01/01/70 00:00      
      That must be the most painful            01/01/70 00:00      
         it's not a killer, but you do notice it            01/01/70 00:00      
   well jasmine can ride him all day            01/01/70 00:00      
   Gives a new meaning to that old interview question            01/01/70 00:00      

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