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03/24/06 18:48
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#113007 - look for an older house, then
Responding to: ???'s previous message
My advice in your case, and consider what it's costing you and take it for what it's worth, is to look for a house >50 years old that you can "fix up" not in terms of liveability but in terms of energy efficiency. If you insulate the walls and ceiling, and double-pane the windows, you can significantly improve their energy efficiency. Back in the '50's houses such as what I imagine you want were built for families with two or three children. Nowadays, if a tennis court won't fit in the family room, people think it's too small. OTOH, if you buy a house built today at the size you want, it will not be terribly inexpensive, but will fall down around you within a decade. You'll be disappointed with what you can get in CA along the coastline for <800K. If you wait a couple of years, that may change, though. CA is at the zenith of a "housing bubble" which is projected to burst soon, and the "real" doomsayers, of which I'm one, are predicting 60% losses in the high-end of the market and maybe as much as 12% at the low end.

Another factor is how far you're willing to drive. Those same doomsayers, and they've bee right so far in this respect, are saying the current $2.50 per gallon prices will inflate to between $15 and $25 within the next 5-10 years. If you're wanting to drive your SUV from an outlying county to the center of town you may quickly be confronted with gasoline costs that exceed your mortgage.

Remember that there's "housing cost" and there's housing "cost." The latter is the combined cost of mortgage, taxes, insurance, utilities, transportation, and any cost differential affecting local commodity prices, e.g. groceries, water, etc. The former is what the sellers and promoters of real estate want you to believe, and the two are often quite different.

I suspect you know all this, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded.

Newer houses, at least the way they're built in the U.S, tend to be full of space that you have to heat but can't use for anything, while the older houses, particularly the ranch-style houses like mine, tend to be quite thrifty, yet provide lots of useable living space. Nowadays, the trends are set by what folks see on their television, and that has to be large to allow for all the equipment. It's rare to see a living room less than 1000 square feet, even in what's supposed to be a small apartment, on the tube, but then, it only has two walls.

I'd recommend staying away from tri-level houses. They tend to be too warm upstairs and coolish downstairs, with the middle, where living room and kitchen are located, being close to the thermostat. Also, by the time you get to my age, you'll likely want to climb fewer stairs.

Realtors tend to refer to houses based on the accessible floor space, while bankers refer to the "plan" view. That means that a 150-story house and a 1-story house have the same plan. It's a twisted way of looking at things. Be sure you know what they're talking about before you go have a look, else you'll be wasting a few trips. My house has 2500 sf of useable area but is technically classified as a nominally 1250 sf plan. I'm just a bachelor with two dogs, but I have 2000 SF of floor space used for random storage of old computers, support materials, etc, so I have to have that much space. That would be entirely unaffordable in CA, particularly since they don't often build basements there. It's cheaper to fly out a time or two when necessary or when I have the urge for fresh seafood.

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   California - not            01/01/70 00:00      
      security issues            01/01/70 00:00      
         California            01/01/70 00:00      
      Saner pastures            01/01/70 00:00      
         CA is not all bad            01/01/70 00:00      
            San Diego            01/01/70 00:00      
                San Diego            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Death Valley            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Death Valley            01/01/70 00:00      
                     "my" CA desert            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Go by bus            01/01/70 00:00      
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         Is any place sane?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Options            01/01/70 00:00      
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               Welcome Home!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Anywhere else, almost            01/01/70 00:00      
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         You misunderstand,            01/01/70 00:00      
         They even have ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Don't forget Paris (Texas that is)            01/01/70 00:00      
               POT??? I thought that was my belly?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  All started with            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Hehehe            01/01/70 00:00      
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               I, being Danish sleep on one every night            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why            01/01/70 00:00      
            as jimi hendrix said            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sampling the Delights            01/01/70 00:00      
         look at taxes            01/01/70 00:00      
            Taxes etc            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        Not being flippant about it...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Buy your US health coverage in the UK            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'd be really careful ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Ouch.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              There's a distinction to be made            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Hmm            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I agree, and it's getting worse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Hoo, boy, got me started...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    there's another thread ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     US senior medical            01/01/70 00:00      
                        but it only lasts so long            01/01/70 00:00      
               Texas might be a choice            01/01/70 00:00      
            Taxes            01/01/70 00:00      
         Near the Ocean            01/01/70 00:00      
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            Florida            01/01/70 00:00      
               Florida not so great            01/01/70 00:00      
         Wife loved it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Second home program            01/01/70 00:00      
   the land of fruits and nuts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Palo Alto et al            01/01/70 00:00      
         How about Oz?            01/01/70 00:00      
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               Spiders?            01/01/70 00:00      
               From what I hear ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Oz culture            01/01/70 00:00      
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               yes            01/01/70 00:00      
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                     It looks "too good to be true"            01/01/70 00:00      
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                              Yup            01/01/70 00:00      
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                           look for an older house, then            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Housing Fugures            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 That they were build elsewhere and broug            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 probably it means "prefabricated"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    one other thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Construction methods            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       not any more            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Safe as Houses            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Peculiar, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Trusting you            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                                US thing?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Canada Too            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the home of low quality and high price            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Quite Right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Dunno            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      In the '70's ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Move to CA in 1979 .. never looked back.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Encinitas            01/01/70 00:00      
   Earthquakes, mudslides, gang-bangers and            01/01/70 00:00      
      HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
         not Madrid            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
   come on over and enjoy your stay            01/01/70 00:00      
      I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
         sites            01/01/70 00:00      
            Visit Bryce Canyon, too            01/01/70 00:00      
      First Long Visit            01/01/70 00:00      
         I guess that will work, but            01/01/70 00:00      
         My suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
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            Don't forget about New England            01/01/70 00:00      
               True            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You can limit yourself to 3 day visits            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Boulders nice            01/01/70 00:00      
                        you can't smoke there, though            01/01/70 00:00      
                  45 limit            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Northrepps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        English Food            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Hmm            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I have to agree, it's circling the bowl            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 true, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Ma and Pa            01/01/70 00:00      
                           training            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I also like Tuborgs            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Northrepps International Airport            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Northrepps Hilton            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Exploitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Old Foundries            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Pilot error            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Pilot Training.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Lager            01/01/70 00:00      
   Guiness book            01/01/70 00:00      
      This probably wasn't intended to be            01/01/70 00:00      

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