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10/10/06 21:16
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#126144 - I wasn't considering them ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
How the device processes the clock is of little concern so long as one knows the cycle length, particularly the length from falling-edge ALE to when data-out is valid and to when data-in must be valid. One has to read the datasheet in order to know when the addresses and controls become valid and when the inputs must be valid in order to function properly.

It's difficult to communicate about matters such as this in a forum where many participants have never had to concern themselves with such issues as setup and hold times on addresses and data, /Rd and /Wr pulse widths and the relationship of valid data in/out with respect to each.

A "standard" i8751, which I use as reference because I have one on the bench even as I write this, fully capable of 12 MHz but operating at 11.0592 MHz for the benefit of a monitor program that relies on it, has a specified access window, meaning the time from valid addresses on P0, to the last point in time at which valid data IN must be available at P0, is about 517 ns. Actually, if it's gated with /Rd, it's still on the order of 400 ns, as that's the pulse width of /Rd. That's not very demanding at all! Even the old, slow i8255's can handle that. The write cycle is similarly generous in its timing on a "standard" 12-clocker.

Whether a specific MCU that DOES have the external memory bus available is a 2 clocker or a 6 clocker doesn't matter, so long as one knows the external memory cycle timing parameters. These are just as important with external SSI/MSI hardware as with an i8255 or other LSI.

There's no point in discussing "expansion" of I/O on devices that have no external memory bus for now. While it's possible to do that, it's not the first thing that comes to mind when one asks how to expand the device's I/O, and the obvious way should be handled and presented in a useful format before esoteric approaches to making a device something is wasn't intended to be are discussed.

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Long Division            01/01/70 00:00      
   teach the kids the slide rule!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't know about that slide-rule ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         not the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   We Homeschool our kids            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not "foundational"            01/01/70 00:00      
         8255 is DEAD            01/01/70 00:00      
            no, not "industry professionals "            01/01/70 00:00      
            Stupid though            01/01/70 00:00      
               Over here it was Whole Language Reading            01/01/70 00:00      
                  On the other hand ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Plus ca change            01/01/70 00:00      
            I am not so sure            01/01/70 00:00      
            the purpose of teaching 8255...            01/01/70 00:00      
               high-speed my butt            01/01/70 00:00      
                  have you read the footnote?            01/01/70 00:00      
            0xDEAD            01/01/70 00:00      
            what does DEAD mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
               some like kicking a dead horse            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that's why you don't do electronics as a hobby.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     not exacttly            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's a component of a microcomputer            01/01/70 00:00      
            memory is one thing, today is another            01/01/70 00:00      
               That\'s not quite true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  6 vs 2 clock            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wasn't considering them ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        but there is            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No doubt about it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              IIC recently upgraded to 1MHZ and I have run            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Interesting ... what operates at that rate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    this and a HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You've referred to that before, Erik ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          you are missing half the story and mixing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             depends on what you compare            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                comparing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   some are ruled out ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the birth has happened            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         uPSDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         in the prototype area or ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Richard, how old are you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               PSDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  isn't EVERYTHING ST makes with an MCU a uPSD?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Intel called them single-chip microcomputers            01/01/70 00:00      
                  greedy, are we?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yep ... greedy ... I need a 48KB buffer ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         fast I/O            01/01/70 00:00      
            Can''t do it            01/01/70 00:00      
               typo            01/01/70 00:00      
               It depends on what your definition of response is.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I read the post the same way as Steve            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Perhaps, but the i8255 does it automatically            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That was my point!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        long story short            01/01/70 00:00      
                           move?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           take a look ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        where do you buy that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Normally, the board determines that            01/01/70 00:00      
                              where did he say that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes, it's a mystery ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Teaching Numeracy            01/01/70 00:00      
      Numeracy            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's where lots of education is lost ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Two ways to do math            01/01/70 00:00      
   The 3 Rs            01/01/70 00:00      
      The middle \'R\'            01/01/70 00:00      
         when I were trined to be a spy ..            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fast block lettering            01/01/70 00:00      
               practice, practice            01/01/70 00:00      

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