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10/09/06 19:27
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#126086 - Teaching Numeracy
Responding to: ???'s previous message
This is interesting. First of all, Richard is correct that "Teaching the kids how a slide rule works requires they have a basic knowledge of how one uses logarithms," and that's rough with an eight year old.

But, just because a kid doesn't understand why a slide rule works doesn't mean that you can't teach him a rote procedure for using it to, say, divide two numbers. An eight year old can learn that if he does "this, this, this, and this", the answer will show up right here. That's fundamentally no different than teaching him a rote procedure for doing the same thing on a calculator. He can learn to do "this, this, this, and this" and expect the answer to show up on the display, even though he doesn't have a clue about how the calculator works internally.

Now, whether either of those two rote procedures is fundamentally any different than the one for doing long division on paper is probably open for debate. When you're writing down the numbers and doing a bunch of trial divisions and multiplications and subtractions yourself, you're definitely a lot more involved than when you're just punching keys on a calculator or lining up marks on a slide rule. I would guess, however, that the value of that involvement varies from one kid to the next. Some kids probably understand completetly what's going on, and are better off for having gone through the exercise. I'd venture that others, however, get so lost in the mechanics that it has no more real meaning to them than pushing those buttons on that calculator.

In any case, Erik has put his finger on the real problem, and that's how to give kids a gut feel for what it all means, so that they just know which arithmetic operation should apply to a given "word problem", and so that they just know when an answer they they have obtained looks wrong, regardless of whether they got it from a slide rule, or a calculator, or by scratching some numbers on a piece of paper.

How do you fix it so the McTeen behind the counter doesn't give you $14.28 in change for something that you've just paid for with a five dollar bill? In other words, how to you teach numeracy? Does practice with the mechanics of arithmetic help do that? (My guess: probably not directly, and probably not equally with all kids.) What would be some other approaches towards giving kids that hard-to-define "gut feel"?

-- Russ


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Long Division            01/01/70 00:00      
   teach the kids the slide rule!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't know about that slide-rule ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         not the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   We Homeschool our kids            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not "foundational"            01/01/70 00:00      
         8255 is DEAD            01/01/70 00:00      
            no, not "industry professionals "            01/01/70 00:00      
            Stupid though            01/01/70 00:00      
               Over here it was Whole Language Reading            01/01/70 00:00      
                  On the other hand ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Plus ca change            01/01/70 00:00      
            I am not so sure            01/01/70 00:00      
            the purpose of teaching 8255...            01/01/70 00:00      
               high-speed my butt            01/01/70 00:00      
                  have you read the footnote?            01/01/70 00:00      
            0xDEAD            01/01/70 00:00      
            what does DEAD mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
               some like kicking a dead horse            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that's why you don't do electronics as a hobby.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     not exacttly            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's a component of a microcomputer            01/01/70 00:00      
            memory is one thing, today is another            01/01/70 00:00      
               That\'s not quite true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  6 vs 2 clock            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wasn't considering them ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        but there is            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No doubt about it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              IIC recently upgraded to 1MHZ and I have run            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Interesting ... what operates at that rate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    this and a HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You've referred to that before, Erik ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          you are missing half the story and mixing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             depends on what you compare            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                comparing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   some are ruled out ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the birth has happened            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         uPSDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         in the prototype area or ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Richard, how old are you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               PSDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  isn't EVERYTHING ST makes with an MCU a uPSD?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Intel called them single-chip microcomputers            01/01/70 00:00      
                  greedy, are we?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yep ... greedy ... I need a 48KB buffer ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         fast I/O            01/01/70 00:00      
            Can''t do it            01/01/70 00:00      
               typo            01/01/70 00:00      
               It depends on what your definition of response is.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I read the post the same way as Steve            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Perhaps, but the i8255 does it automatically            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That was my point!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        long story short            01/01/70 00:00      
                           move?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           take a look ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        where do you buy that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Normally, the board determines that            01/01/70 00:00      
                              where did he say that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes, it's a mystery ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Teaching Numeracy            01/01/70 00:00      
      Numeracy            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's where lots of education is lost ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Two ways to do math            01/01/70 00:00      
   The 3 Rs            01/01/70 00:00      
      The middle \'R\'            01/01/70 00:00      
         when I were trined to be a spy ..            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fast block lettering            01/01/70 00:00      
               practice, practice            01/01/70 00:00      

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