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10/09/06 18:01
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#126077 - We Homeschool our kids
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Hi Russ,

As a matter of fact we have two boys, we homeschool them both, and I was just minutes ago in the living room explaining to my 12 year old how to multiply through by tens until he's dividing a whole number into something (showing him that the ratio remains constant).

Yes. There is value to teaching kids long division, and how to find a square root, and the Dewey Decimal System and many other things that they may never have a practical use for. It's called education.

Consider the topic of another thread that's evolving right now. Someone asked (and hasn't returned yet that I can see) about extending the ports of an 8051. Someone else invariably brought up the 8255 which of course seeded the avalanche of pro/con arguments.

Now perhaps the most notorius of our numbers to hate the 8255 is Erik Malund. And I don't even come close to having the electronics experience or expertise to challenge anything Erik might say about µ-controllers or the related circuitry. And even if I did, I wouldn't challenge anything he says about this subject because I largely agree with him.

Nonetheless, I do take exception to his position in one regard, and it applies to precisely the question you raise.

Indeed, there are too many better choices to use an 8255 in a real product today. However, when teaching a student about µ-controllers there is value in making them learn how the 8255 works. It's foundational.

Think about compiling code. I would never suggest that Erik develop one of his projects by writing his code directly in binary, or by manually assembling an *.asm file and then manually producing the Intel Hex file. But if I were teaching a student learning this material for the first time I would do just that (with a very simple program of course).

Just because we have opamps doesn't mean we shouldn't teach bipolar transistor amplifiers. And if anyone graduates from an electronics school but can't do the load line analysis of a transistor amplifier circuit, then their electronics education is wanting at best.

So yes. There is value in learning long division. It's foundational. It's education.

And that's my two cents worth,

Joe

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Long Division            01/01/70 00:00      
   teach the kids the slide rule!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't know about that slide-rule ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         not the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   We Homeschool our kids            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not "foundational"            01/01/70 00:00      
         8255 is DEAD            01/01/70 00:00      
            no, not "industry professionals "            01/01/70 00:00      
            Stupid though            01/01/70 00:00      
               Over here it was Whole Language Reading            01/01/70 00:00      
                  On the other hand ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Plus ca change            01/01/70 00:00      
            I am not so sure            01/01/70 00:00      
            the purpose of teaching 8255...            01/01/70 00:00      
               high-speed my butt            01/01/70 00:00      
                  have you read the footnote?            01/01/70 00:00      
            0xDEAD            01/01/70 00:00      
            what does DEAD mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
               some like kicking a dead horse            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that's why you don't do electronics as a hobby.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     not exacttly            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's a component of a microcomputer            01/01/70 00:00      
            memory is one thing, today is another            01/01/70 00:00      
               That\'s not quite true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  6 vs 2 clock            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wasn't considering them ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        but there is            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No doubt about it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              IIC recently upgraded to 1MHZ and I have run            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Interesting ... what operates at that rate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    this and a HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You've referred to that before, Erik ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          you are missing half the story and mixing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             depends on what you compare            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                comparing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   some are ruled out ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the birth has happened            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         uPSDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         in the prototype area or ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Richard, how old are you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               PSDs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  isn't EVERYTHING ST makes with an MCU a uPSD?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Intel called them single-chip microcomputers            01/01/70 00:00      
                  greedy, are we?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yep ... greedy ... I need a 48KB buffer ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         fast I/O            01/01/70 00:00      
            Can''t do it            01/01/70 00:00      
               typo            01/01/70 00:00      
               It depends on what your definition of response is.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I read the post the same way as Steve            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Perhaps, but the i8255 does it automatically            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That was my point!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        long story short            01/01/70 00:00      
                           move?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           take a look ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        where do you buy that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Normally, the board determines that            01/01/70 00:00      
                              where did he say that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes, it's a mystery ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Teaching Numeracy            01/01/70 00:00      
      Numeracy            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's where lots of education is lost ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Two ways to do math            01/01/70 00:00      
   The 3 Rs            01/01/70 00:00      
      The middle \'R\'            01/01/70 00:00      
         when I were trined to be a spy ..            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fast block lettering            01/01/70 00:00      
               practice, practice            01/01/70 00:00      

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