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01/24/12 23:40
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#185662 - Yes, but it's a story similar to the one I told ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
... at least with regard to how ATMEL treats its customers.

In my case, they (ATMEL) took their product off the market because almost nothing aside from the core worked at all. Nevertheless, they denied that their hardware didn't work, even though they ultimately couldn't demonstrate that it worked. They said their software worked fine, which, ultimately, it was shown it didn't ... AND they tried to convince my boss, who, by that point didn't believe them at all, that the reason nothing worked was because I didn't understand the ARM architecture.

Actually, the ARM7TDMI core worked OK, but their bootloader code was faulty, their SDRAM channel didn't work, the chip's on-board FLASH didn't work, their high-speed serial (CODEC) channels didn't work, etc, etc, etc ... Moreover, they freely admitted that their board couldn't work with the 60MHz clock that they'd designed into it, so all the timings had to be scaled down, which defeated their performance claim. We lost a year's time, by the end of which we'd concluded their products couldn't be relied upon at all.

As a consequence, not one of my clients, friends, associates, and few of my competitors, have ever used an ATMEL product in the past decade.

If you find that amusing, it's probably because you've found a product of theirs that does work more or less correctly. I doubt there are very many of them.

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P89V51Rx2 and P89LPC97x/P89LPC98x discontinued            01/01/70 00:00      
   Obsolete            01/01/70 00:00      
      in my opinion, a better idea            01/01/70 00:00      
         Attitude towards customers...            01/01/70 00:00      
            the story again, since Kai forgot            01/01/70 00:00      
               This is indeed a very very sad story...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, but it's a story similar to the one I told ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The problem is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        the problem is different            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That's true and correct, BUT ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           So I did!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              my take            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    sure I cam            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Look to the future            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I will, when ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       This wasn't a single person ... it was a whole team            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I guess 2 or 3 idiots...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I spoke with more than that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I also think few people where to blame            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Possibly, however ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Your only memory?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         No ... but it's the only ATMEL project I've been in.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         re repeats            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Not exactly ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Why not?            01/01/70 00:00      
               In US or Denmark?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  maybe, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                  $10E7 would not be enough            01/01/70 00:00      
            Guess what! ... I don't use NXP either.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Silicon Labs            01/01/70 00:00      
            P89C668 replacement            01/01/70 00:00      
               Tekmos            01/01/70 00:00      
                  IDE choice            01/01/70 00:00      
                  re: IDE            01/01/70 00:00      
            re switching to SILabs            01/01/70 00:00      
            re: Silicon Labs            01/01/70 00:00      
               I have seeen very few EOLs f...            01/01/70 00:00      
         "SILabs are not making ARMs" - No Longer True!            01/01/70 00:00      
      I wouldn't rely on Atmel for 8051s...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Atmel AT89LP51ID2 is a rew release            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Interesting            01/01/70 00:00      
                  They can't even do one well!            01/01/70 00:00      
               AT89LP Developer Studio            01/01/70 00:00      
                  AT89LP Studio is a joke            01/01/70 00:00      
                     if you want cutting edge            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Depends on features            01/01/70 00:00      
                           if 128k code is not enough,            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Microchip/SST PC Firmware - found it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 More            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 8051 Microchip press release            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Interesting.. GCC for the 8051?!            01/01/70 00:00      
   P89xV51xD2 replacement?            01/01/70 00:00      
      C8051F020 - A new chip in town..(kinda)            01/01/70 00:00      
         a thing I do when developing with the 12x/13x            01/01/70 00:00      
            I do similar for GPIO on "normal" processors            01/01/70 00:00      
               SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Silabs debug in Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0            01/01/70 00:00      
                        why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Keil vs SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                              SiLabs vs anyone            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    there is a window for that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    SiLabs IDE and Keil uVision 3.0            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       SiLabs IDE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          please stop hijacking this thread            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             hijack, maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          if I recall            01/01/70 00:00      
         C8051F020 is old, better is C8015F58x            01/01/70 00:00      
            then look out            01/01/70 00:00      
      SST89E516R as P89V51 replacement            01/01/70 00:00      
         SST89 bootloader            01/01/70 00:00      
            Microchip, obviously, wanted ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               quite obviously :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
         SST89E516R as P89V51 replacement            01/01/70 00:00      
            Bootloader for SST MCUs            01/01/70 00:00      
               SST Bootloader and Windows 7            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SST 89E516RD2 bootloader, EasyISP            01/01/70 00:00      
                     EasyIAP            01/01/70 00:00      
                        why in 2 steps?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           One step to 7            01/01/70 00:00      
   Nuvoton now have a replacement list            01/01/70 00:00      

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