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09/11/07 05:57
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#144358 - re: Justification
Responding to: ???'s previous message
John Myers said:
Does this mean you believe the theory of the evolutionary process gives a moral justification for killing other people?


No, of course not, but there's the very great problem of some adherents taking the words of their allegedly Holy Texts to mean, "kill those who don't believe in exactly what we believe in" (all the while proclaiming that they believe in a "religion of peace").

And before anyone jumps in and says that by "adherents" I mean Muslims, recall the Christian Crusades and the Inquisition, and the more recent example of the Mountain Meadows Massacre perpetrated by the early Mormons.

I am alternately amused and horrified by the notion of various Christian sects, all of whom read the same text, all claiming that their path to the Lord (or whatever) is the only path, and that everyone else is going to Hell.

Perhaps it's best to look at this obvious conundrum (how can all, or indeed any, of the so-called One Truths be "the" One Truth?) through Kurasawa's lens. Consider it the Rashomon effect of religious beliefs. In the film, four witness see the same crime, yet their recollections are mutually exclusive. Obviously there can't be four versions of the same truth. So it is with religion. Different believers all claim to know the One Truth, yet all of these "Truths" are different. How is this possible?

-a


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Weekend absurdity            01/01/70 00:00      
   Truth is truth in any language            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you beleive...            01/01/70 00:00      
      It seems logical to me            01/01/70 00:00      
         But, once you believe,...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ethos            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ah, so is the point the character of the school?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Each in its place            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've met them            01/01/70 00:00      
   It all depends on how you look at it            01/01/70 00:00      
   absurdistan            01/01/70 00:00      
      That fails            01/01/70 00:00      
         arguments!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Taliban of course            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think this is exagerration            01/01/70 00:00      
               percentage            01/01/70 00:00      
               Religious Schools            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not so sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Well said            01/01/70 00:00      
                        zealots            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Moon            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        We should fear the religious extremists ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You missed my point (one of them anyway)            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Your claim requires support            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Support?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the big bang            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Just how factual do you believe all that to be?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interpretation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Irrational huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   quotes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It wasn't intended to.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Re: beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   There's room for doubt, John!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 your assertion is contrary to the texct            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What light?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Support & Light            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          sell me the first copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Reply to Joe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Is the first edition already sold out?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Secodn copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Here we go ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ehm, this is a highly luxurious debate...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ending the war            01/01/70 00:00      
         We have all these old nuclear weapons ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Don't burn down the house            01/01/70 00:00      
               If this would only help...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trageted irradiation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Targeted response            01/01/70 00:00      
                        evolved morality            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Re: Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 As jeff said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Research            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Look at it like this.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                RE: Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   or perhaps it's YOU who don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Hypocrite!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re: Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Recall            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   moral equivalence            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That is the basis, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Careful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, nobody capable would actually do that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     16 Tons            01/01/70 00:00      

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