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09/06/07 19:08
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#144094 - Well said
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Hi Craig,

Religion needs to understand that if they're right bout God, God gave us the ability to understand His creation through science.


Not only did He do so, He explicitely said so in scriptures. Of course, it's easy to miss (i.e. rationalize away) if you read scriptures filtered through your own prejudices.

Science needs to understand that it shouldn't rule out possible explanations simply because they are unpopular among atheists. If God exists and scientists ignore that possibility, all their gyrations and investigations will never reach the truth because they aren't considering the very possibility that is the truth (hypothetically speaking).


I did an experiment once, many years ago, concerning random numbers. It was by no means an exhaustive experiment, but it did demonstrate the idea that no matter what the odds are of flipping a penny heads up ten times, if you've already flipped it heads up nine times the odds of it landing heads the tenth time are still 50:50.

It was when Texas first introduced their lottery. I wrote a random number generator to pick 6 numbers for the next lottery drawing. Then I wrote a predictive program to try and pick the most probable numbers based on the historical picks and trying to get the aggregate statistics as close to the ideal case as possible. I also wrote programs to predict the numbers based on a few of the "systems" that were being sold in pamphlet form at the lottery retail locations. The point was that after 8 or 9 months, the random number generator had outperformed all of the predictive models in picking the most winning numbers. Moreover, at no time during the entire experiment did any of the predictive models exceed, or for that matter even match, the performance of the random number generator.

So what was the point? The experiment demonstrated empirically that by eliminating any of the possible outcomes, I reduced the probability that I would accurately pick the true outcome.

Secularists do the same thing and pretend that it's science becuase they use scientific terms.

In my final analysis, I submit that the religious need to know what they believe, and why. And the secularists need to learn to discern what they know from what they merely believe. Until and unless they do, they will both continue pushing each other into their own heresies.

Joe


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Weekend absurdity            01/01/70 00:00      
   Truth is truth in any language            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you beleive...            01/01/70 00:00      
      It seems logical to me            01/01/70 00:00      
         But, once you believe,...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ethos            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ah, so is the point the character of the school?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Each in its place            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've met them            01/01/70 00:00      
   It all depends on how you look at it            01/01/70 00:00      
   absurdistan            01/01/70 00:00      
      That fails            01/01/70 00:00      
         arguments!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Taliban of course            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think this is exagerration            01/01/70 00:00      
               percentage            01/01/70 00:00      
               Religious Schools            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not so sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Well said            01/01/70 00:00      
                        zealots            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Moon            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        We should fear the religious extremists ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You missed my point (one of them anyway)            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Your claim requires support            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Support?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the big bang            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Just how factual do you believe all that to be?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interpretation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Irrational huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   quotes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It wasn't intended to.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Re: beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   There's room for doubt, John!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 your assertion is contrary to the texct            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What light?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Support & Light            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          sell me the first copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Reply to Joe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Is the first edition already sold out?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Secodn copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Here we go ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ehm, this is a highly luxurious debate...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ending the war            01/01/70 00:00      
         We have all these old nuclear weapons ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Don't burn down the house            01/01/70 00:00      
               If this would only help...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trageted irradiation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Targeted response            01/01/70 00:00      
                        evolved morality            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Re: Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 As jeff said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Research            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Look at it like this.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                RE: Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   or perhaps it's YOU who don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Hypocrite!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re: Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Recall            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   moral equivalence            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That is the basis, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Careful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, nobody capable would actually do that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     16 Tons            01/01/70 00:00      

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