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09/07/07 20:13
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#144135 - Reply to Joe
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Joseph Hebert said:
What fossil record are you looking at?

The one that has been built up and studied for the past, say 150 years. Why? Are you looking at a different one?

Do you deny the existence of the Cambrian Explosion?

The Cambrian Explosion is a well established fact, so no, I do not deny it. However, as much progress has been made in research over the past decade, it is becoming clearer and clearer that this "explosion" certainly did not have the magnitude it was once thought to have had. It certainly wasn't a single event, but lasted some 5 million years or so. It also mainly seems to coincide with a proliferation of animals with hard body parts, which, of course, fossilise much more readily that soft bodies.

More and more evidence is being found that many lineages that previously seemed to appear 'out of nowhere', actually have clear affiliations with previously existing groups from the so-called Ediacaran fauna.

Are you asserting that plants can not exist without photosynthesis?

The ability to fotosynthesise is one of the defining characteristics of what we call 'plant'.

Are you asserting that plants didn't come along until after animals?

You must have misread me, because I was specifically talking about grasses and fruit trees (as mentioned in Gen. 1.11). These are flowering plants and yes, that specific group did not arise until long after animals had developed.

Just who is supposed to be the irrational zealot here?

Just where did I call someone, anyone, an irrational zealot?
All I did was to explain why I think the assertion "If you read Genesis for what it says, it's an uncanny description of the fossil record ..." requires a pretty good explanation, to say the least.
I thought I had been careful enough not to make it sound like a personal attack. If you did, in any way, get that impression, I'm deeply sorry.

You probably believe that if something is figurative (as in a figure of speech) that it is more, not less, subjective (i.e. subject to interpretation).

This may well be a language thing, or just me being stoopid, but I'm afraid I do not follow you here Joe.

Still, you and Jeff have brought me around to one conclusion. I've often thought of writing a book on Genesis through a physicists perspective. Maybe I'll stop thinking about it and do so.

It may surprise you, but I'd very much like to buy the second copy :-).


Have a good weekend,
Rob.

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Weekend absurdity            01/01/70 00:00      
   Truth is truth in any language            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you beleive...            01/01/70 00:00      
      It seems logical to me            01/01/70 00:00      
         But, once you believe,...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ethos            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ah, so is the point the character of the school?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Each in its place            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've met them            01/01/70 00:00      
   It all depends on how you look at it            01/01/70 00:00      
   absurdistan            01/01/70 00:00      
      That fails            01/01/70 00:00      
         arguments!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Taliban of course            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think this is exagerration            01/01/70 00:00      
               percentage            01/01/70 00:00      
               Religious Schools            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not so sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Well said            01/01/70 00:00      
                        zealots            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Moon            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        We should fear the religious extremists ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You missed my point (one of them anyway)            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Your claim requires support            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Support?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the big bang            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Just how factual do you believe all that to be?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interpretation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Irrational huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   quotes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It wasn't intended to.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Re: beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   There's room for doubt, John!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 your assertion is contrary to the texct            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What light?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Support & Light            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          sell me the first copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Reply to Joe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Is the first edition already sold out?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Secodn copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Here we go ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ehm, this is a highly luxurious debate...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ending the war            01/01/70 00:00      
         We have all these old nuclear weapons ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Don't burn down the house            01/01/70 00:00      
               If this would only help...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trageted irradiation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Targeted response            01/01/70 00:00      
                        evolved morality            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Re: Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 As jeff said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Research            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Look at it like this.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                RE: Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   or perhaps it's YOU who don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Hypocrite!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re: Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Recall            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   moral equivalence            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That is the basis, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Careful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, nobody capable would actually do that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     16 Tons            01/01/70 00:00      

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