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09/09/07 17:19
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#144174 - That is the basis, isn't it?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jeff Post said:
John Myers said:
This superiority complex is one of the things that angers them. What makes your "evolved" sense of morality superior to anyone else's?/


Well, let's see... They say "accept our religion or die", we say "stop killing people for no good reason". Who is it that has the superiority complex? Which sense of morality would you say is "superior"? Try not to be an idiot. Also please explain why you think doing something that angers someone is automatically a bad thing. I've no doubt that putting criminals in prison angers them--does that make it a "bad thing"? Can you do anything that won't anger some one?

The religious difference is the "good reason" to some, isn't it? It provides the boundary between "us" and "them." People have been protecting "us" by killing "them" since the beginning of time.

Why are their brains defective instead of yours? Who gets to decide what evolution should have done in regards to morality?


Did I ever say my brain wasn't defective? We're all defective, just some more than others.

Maybe that's true, but who gets to decide, and on what basis, what "defective" means? Who even gets to decide which is more and which is less defective?

Evolution is not directed by some higher intelligence, it obeys only one directive--survival of the fittest. No one decides how it will go, it just happens.

There is information available (I gave one link, you find others) on current research being done on the evolution of morality (and religion). Don't take my word for anything, check it out yourself. Learn to think instead of offering a knee-jerk, third-grade, simplistic response to something you haven't bothered to learn anything about.



People learn about things they believe to be true. The difficulty arises in that what's true to some is not so true to others. In the "west" it's commonly held that suppressing the right to education, for example, of half the population, e.g. women, is wrong. It would appear that at least a fifth of the world's population doesn't agree with that notion.

Some people believe that regligion is an idustry that seeks to extract a living from the feeble-minded without doing anything useful. In some cultures, it's even held to be a valid course of study. Politics, too, is a field of dubious value to the society at large. Don't both these pursuits simply interpose one group between the rest and their resources? Don't they simply say, "Let us do your thinking for you"?

This whole notion of "good versus evil" is a big fiction isn't it? When something is good for me, isn't it just as likely it's evil for someone else? When I have that nice beef roast for Sundeay dinner, it's really good for me, but it doesn't work out so well for the beef that provided it.

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Weekend absurdity            01/01/70 00:00      
   Truth is truth in any language            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you beleive...            01/01/70 00:00      
      It seems logical to me            01/01/70 00:00      
         But, once you believe,...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ethos            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ah, so is the point the character of the school?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Each in its place            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've met them            01/01/70 00:00      
   It all depends on how you look at it            01/01/70 00:00      
   absurdistan            01/01/70 00:00      
      That fails            01/01/70 00:00      
         arguments!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Taliban of course            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think this is exagerration            01/01/70 00:00      
               percentage            01/01/70 00:00      
               Religious Schools            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not so sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Well said            01/01/70 00:00      
                        zealots            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Moon            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        We should fear the religious extremists ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You missed my point (one of them anyway)            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Your claim requires support            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Support?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the big bang            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Just how factual do you believe all that to be?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interpretation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Irrational huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   quotes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It wasn't intended to.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Re: beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   There's room for doubt, John!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 your assertion is contrary to the texct            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What light?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Support & Light            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          sell me the first copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Reply to Joe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Is the first edition already sold out?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Secodn copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Here we go ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ehm, this is a highly luxurious debate...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ending the war            01/01/70 00:00      
         We have all these old nuclear weapons ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Don't burn down the house            01/01/70 00:00      
               If this would only help...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trageted irradiation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Targeted response            01/01/70 00:00      
                        evolved morality            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Re: Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 As jeff said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Research            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Look at it like this.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                RE: Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   or perhaps it's YOU who don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Hypocrite!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re: Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Recall            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   moral equivalence            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That is the basis, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Careful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, nobody capable would actually do that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     16 Tons            01/01/70 00:00      

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