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09/06/07 19:05
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#144093 - We should fear the religious extremists ...
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Joseph Hebert said:
Hi Richard,

What really puzzles me is why these people have to adopt an adversarial position, trying to tell us that there's gross conflict between, say, the fossil record and the scriptures. Isn't it all subject to interpretation?


Not really, at least no more than the morning newspaper is open to interpretation. If you read Genesis for what it says, it's an uncanny description of the fossil record (not to mention the Big Bang Theory).

I'd find it really interesting to see what it is to which you refer, in this context. At least we know a good proportion of what is in the newspaper is fiction. While works of fiction can, and frequently do, present great truths, that's not the role of a newspaper.

The problem arises on the religious side when theologians insist that a creation day has to be 24 hours (a position that can not be supported either scripturally or linguistically). On the secular side, the problem arises when people abandon the fundamental tenets of science, hypothesis and empiricism, in lieu of consensus and acceptance. You end up with both sides pushed apart by mutual antagonism. You end up with theologians who, in their fervor to reject science, turn God into a deceiver and religion into heresy. And you end up with secularists who effectively adopt their own religion and call it science.



It's probably true, what Craig says in his post, namely that the truth lies "in there somewhere." However, it seems that both sides of the argument seek support for their respective positions and care more for that than the truth.

When I was a boy, newly immigrated from Europe, living in Oklahoma, churches were about reaffirming and spreading belief in spirituality. It promoted a sense of community, self-reliance, and willingness to do for others. Today, it seems that churches are more concerned about building a large enough church so their pastors can have their 10-foot stuffed bears standing in the office with them while they boast about how big a boat they have ... here in a land=locked state with nary a large enough lake to float them. It seems as though the "religious right" (based, for some inane reason, in Colorado Springs) has descended into a contest centered on who can have the biggest scandal.

I used to like going to church, back when I was young, and married to an humble preacher's daughter. We used to go to bible studies and read from the scriptures in their original Aramaic, and Greek texts, hoping to discern meaning potentially lost in translation. Ministers, then, were educated men, literate, and logical. Today's famous televangelists barely speak English, and, it's often clear, haven't even read the scriptures to which they freely refer and which they interpret to promote whatever their current agenda is. We shouldn't listen to them, though, and we shouldn't ignore them. We should fear them. They want to be the American Taliban.

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Weekend absurdity            01/01/70 00:00      
   Truth is truth in any language            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you beleive...            01/01/70 00:00      
      It seems logical to me            01/01/70 00:00      
         But, once you believe,...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ethos            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ah, so is the point the character of the school?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Each in its place            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've met them            01/01/70 00:00      
   It all depends on how you look at it            01/01/70 00:00      
   absurdistan            01/01/70 00:00      
      That fails            01/01/70 00:00      
         arguments!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Taliban of course            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think this is exagerration            01/01/70 00:00      
               percentage            01/01/70 00:00      
               Religious Schools            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not so sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Well said            01/01/70 00:00      
                        zealots            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Moon            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        We should fear the religious extremists ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You missed my point (one of them anyway)            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Your claim requires support            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Support?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the big bang            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Just how factual do you believe all that to be?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interpretation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Yes, that's what it says ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Irrational huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   quotes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      It wasn't intended to.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Re: beliefs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   There's room for doubt, John!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 your assertion is contrary to the texct            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What light?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Support & Light            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          sell me the first copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Reply to Joe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Is the first edition already sold out?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Secodn copy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Here we go ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ehm, this is a highly luxurious debate...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ending the war            01/01/70 00:00      
         We have all these old nuclear weapons ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Don't burn down the house            01/01/70 00:00      
               If this would only help...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  trageted irradiation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Targeted response            01/01/70 00:00      
                        evolved morality            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Re: Get a grip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 As jeff said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Research            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Look at it like this.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                RE: Pardon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   or perhaps it's YOU who don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Hypocrite!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             re: Justification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Recall            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   moral equivalence            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That is the basis, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Careful            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, nobody capable would actually do that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     16 Tons            01/01/70 00:00      

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