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#114797 - Science versus faith
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Joseph Hebert said:


Perhaps I am missing something, but all I can glean from your (you and Jez's) comments is that you both rely on your own intuitive assertions, not quantitative empirical analysis, as a basis for truth.


Absolutely not. My scientific views are subject to experimental testing, and the theories are falsifiable, Are yours ? Lets try a rigourous experiment to test the power of prayer for example.

The passing down of the narratives of the bible stories from uneducated desert tribes to the present day has to include a certain degree of licence in that movement down through time

You will be forced to conclude that in order for life to have evolved as it has, there must have been some discriminating influence behind those mutations. Time simply doesn't allow for random mutations to have achieved what has been achieved, not in the lifetime of our Earth, and not even in the age of the universe.


But these ARE directed mutations,if you like, mutation is happening all the time, most mutations are benign, most do nothing. the simple fact that some ,favour a specific organism over another is all it takes. The fact that PARALLEL evolution takes place in isolated populations, like the Australian marsupials, also gives strong support to the theory of evolution. The existence alone of genetic disease like sickle cell anaemia and cystic fibrosis, the sharing of huge amounts of our DNA with other primates are all evidence of an evolutionary link.

Certainly anyway, evidence for a theory that can be proved, and also falsified.


P.S., The age of the Earth is indeed somewhere around 4 - 6 E+9 years. The age of the universe however is on the order of E+32 to E+33 years, a far cry more than a factor of 3 times the age of the Earth.


Err. From where do you get that ? The accepted scientific estimate is about 14 Gigayears.

At 10^33 years, your God could not have created the radioactive elements without them having decayed away to nothing. Unless of course your God is deliberately falsifying the evidence of his own creation. Your God has made a very good sjob of making the world look as if it is 4-5 billion years old, set in a universe 14 billion years old. So which is it ?

You are certainly a long way from being an unapproachable young-earth creationist, and I welcome the debate.

Steve


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   i dunno about god            01/01/70 00:00      
   It comes to my mind that...            01/01/70 00:00      
      ah well            01/01/70 00:00      
         Evolution            01/01/70 00:00      
            Reference            01/01/70 00:00      
   teps            01/01/70 00:00      
   Secular humanism            01/01/70 00:00      
      timescales            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not any more            01/01/70 00:00      
         the New Testament and Kurasawa            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maths            01/01/70 00:00      
         Math            01/01/70 00:00      
            Science versus faith            01/01/70 00:00      
               Young Earth            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Figures are way out            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Myth and reason            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Arcana            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Kamiokande            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Kamiokande            01/01/70 00:00      
            Get the facts            01/01/70 00:00      
               Facts            01/01/70 00:00      
                  More facts            01/01/70 00:00      
                  NOT "random"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     "Random" in context            01/01/70 00:00      
                        evolution            01/01/70 00:00      
                  truth by assertion            01/01/70 00:00      
         Math and evolution            01/01/70 00:00      
   How God created me.            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's just a simulation ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         or like i do            01/01/70 00:00      
            Maybe he won't do it the same way            01/01/70 00:00      
               zero is quite far            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The only thing MEN can do ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Watch the Movie Tron.            01/01/70 00:00      
   me and steve            01/01/70 00:00      
   My stands            01/01/70 00:00      
   4000 to 40000 religions            01/01/70 00:00      
      politicians            01/01/70 00:00      
   Google            01/01/70 00:00      
      Way to find useful info            01/01/70 00:00      
         Science of DiscWorld            01/01/70 00:00      
         proof            01/01/70 00:00      
            its called a markov chain            01/01/70 00:00      
            The fallacy            01/01/70 00:00      
            The answer is in the math            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not strictly true            01/01/70 00:00      
      reliable sources            01/01/70 00:00      
   creation            01/01/70 00:00      
      OMNIpotence            01/01/70 00:00      
         Who says ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Simplicity.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Unassailable            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Almost, but not quite omnipotent.            01/01/70 00:00      
            omnipitant beings are meaningless            01/01/70 00:00      
               Works for me            01/01/70 00:00      
      If we think, every thin is ............            01/01/70 00:00      
   lol            01/01/70 00:00      
   That about wraps it up for God.            01/01/70 00:00      

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