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08/15/12 23:45
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#188085 - What does "bandwidth" mean?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
The classic TEK 'scope you have uses an old definition (not that old means not valid any longer!) of bandwidth, specifically, the frequency at which the display is attenuated by 3db. I don't know what definition these digital 'scopes use, but it may well be the same, as that's the established definition for analog instruments.

However, if it has a 300 MHz bandwidth, a 300 MHz sinusoid will appear 3db down from its actual amplitude. I don't, right offhand, know what a 500 or 800 MHz sinusoid would look like, but I can guarantee you that even a 300 MHz square wave won't look like a square wave, as the harmonics that make it a square wave, will be severely attenuated. Now, a 1 ns pulse would, essentially, be a segment of a 500 MHz wave. If the wave is square, then you probably would be pretty distorted, both in shape and in timing. I don't know how the bandwidth limitation combined with the risetime limit will impact your display. 300 MHz would suggest a 1.4 ns pulse width, wouldn't it? If that's shifted 1.4 ns in time, and attenuated 3db, what do you suppose you should see?

I'd say you need to display slower waveforms and then contemplate how the bandwidth + risetime factors into what you see. Keep in mind that the bandwidth will affect all the signals that you display, and the rise/fall time may well simply be an effect of the bandwidth, but I suspect it will make itself felt on all the waveforms that you display, irrespective of frequency. The bandwidth will do that, too, but will disappear as the frequency is lower.

I doubt this will impact your ability to work with the instrument, but I do believe you need to know in what ways the various limitations of the instrument will impact the way in which you interpret what it displays. Sadly, I can't advise you as to what to expect between the bandwidth, rise/fall time limitation, and sample rate. You may actually see distortions that are really not there.

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DSO for cheap!            01/01/70 00:00      
   very good            01/01/70 00:00      
      Limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
         test results            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's valuable information            01/01/70 00:00      
         well, the fact is ..            01/01/70 00:00      
            tektronix 475 comparison            01/01/70 00:00      
               Really? Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
               another double post ... sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
   I think ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Application dependant            01/01/70 00:00      
         Indeed            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's still too low a bandwidth, wouldn't you say?            01/01/70 00:00      
   just curious, Joe could you try            01/01/70 00:00      
      Unusual with short pulses for hobbyist projects            01/01/70 00:00      
         is the clock running?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry, but no I can't.            01/01/70 00:00      
      10nSec Pulse            01/01/70 00:00      
         "at random" means what exactly ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
               more observations            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It may not be the sample rate ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     digital vs analog            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Don't get me wrong, here ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           poor mans's scope            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Doesn't it depend on what THEY mean by bandwidth?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 20 nsec steps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, one thing at a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Impulse Tests are better            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       more capable scope            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I must have missed a step ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             TEK475            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                here's another alternative ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   DAC and pot in parallel?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Logically, not physically            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   new theory            01/01/70 00:00      
   3MHz is rather poor Bandwidth ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ordinary            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ther are many params needed            01/01/70 00:00      
   "only" $200 ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Low cost oscilloscopes            01/01/70 00:00      
         £291 > 2*($199)            01/01/70 00:00      
            It doesn't always work that way            01/01/70 00:00      
               Once upon a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   SDS8202            01/01/70 00:00      
      Read all the "fine print' first ... and ask any questions            01/01/70 00:00      
         bought it            01/01/70 00:00      
            Please let us know how this works out for you            01/01/70 00:00      
               datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
                  2mV/div - but min trig level?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Tests            01/01/70 00:00      
                        24ns            01/01/70 00:00      
                           and that's the crux            01/01/70 00:00      
                              FPGA pulse Expander (edited)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 some love the mother, some love the daughter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Here's omne fairly simple thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 self calibtrate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interesting            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          glurk            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             DCMs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Well....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I don't know where you're going with this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             xxxxx            01/01/70 00:00      
                           333ps            01/01/70 00:00      
      SDS9302            01/01/70 00:00      
         So, how are you exercising this new 'scope?            01/01/70 00:00      
            so far so good            01/01/70 00:00      
               So far so good ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  rise time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The rise time indicates that high frequencies gets dampened            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What does "bandwidth" mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        good test            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Perhaps you should repeat the test ...             01/01/70 00:00      

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