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07/08/12 15:45
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#187888 - so far so good
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Richard Erlacher said:
Did you build one of those circuits you discussed?

Working on it, but I tested the trigger with two channels with odd waveforms using old cct, one with modulated 1khz signal, the other 20nsec pulses synchronized with the rising edge of the 1khz signal, the good news is this scope does trigger on the little pulses unlike the cheap DSO.
How's the triggering? Do you have an attenuator on the output of your circuit so you can reduced the amplitude? How sensitive is this 'scope, i.e. what's the smallest voltage per division that it can reliably display? Can it trigger on short pulses of that magnitude?

I will do this test later on, but I think the answer is yes.
How about slowly rising waveforms, i.e. a waveform that rises at 1 volt/ms? Does it provide a crisp, clear display, or is it muddied by variations in the trigger voltage? (Nearly any instrument will have some ambiguity in its triggering.)

It works perfectly for slow rising signal, in fact you can measure the rise and fall time of the signal with crystal clear display.
How does it compare in these regards with respect to your old TEK 475?

My old tek475 is junk compared to this one. at high frequency my old tek display brightness becomes dim I can hardly see it, so I made my tek475 work as a component tester in my workshop while I'm having good time with my color dso!
What sort of probes did they provide, if any? Are they switchable 1x/10x types? Does the instrument recognize the impedance setting?

Yes they are good 1x/10x 300MHz probes with load capacitance of 12pF. The only setting in the scope for probes is the 1x/10x/100x/1000x probes, however the bad news is when I set the probe to 10x the rise time of the signal is degraded and I can no longer see fast rise edges.
There's lots of experimentation ahead, before you'll know what the 'scope really does, and how well.

TBH this is the best scope I ever had and I'm quite happy with it. my FPGA knowledge is rusty so I'm slowly catching up, I'm almost done playing with DCMs so that I can generate high speed signals to put this scope testing to the limits. Unfortunately the rising time of the scope is <= 1.4nSec as per datasheet, I want to test it with sub nano seconds signals.
I don't have modern high end DSO scope to compare it with but I think it is a good value for the money.
I will keep you posted.
Mahmood

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TopicAuthorDate
DSO for cheap!            01/01/70 00:00      
   very good            01/01/70 00:00      
      Limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
         test results            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's valuable information            01/01/70 00:00      
         well, the fact is ..            01/01/70 00:00      
            tektronix 475 comparison            01/01/70 00:00      
               Really? Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
               another double post ... sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
   I think ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Application dependant            01/01/70 00:00      
         Indeed            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's still too low a bandwidth, wouldn't you say?            01/01/70 00:00      
   just curious, Joe could you try            01/01/70 00:00      
      Unusual with short pulses for hobbyist projects            01/01/70 00:00      
         is the clock running?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry, but no I can't.            01/01/70 00:00      
      10nSec Pulse            01/01/70 00:00      
         "at random" means what exactly ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
               more observations            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It may not be the sample rate ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     digital vs analog            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Don't get me wrong, here ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           poor mans's scope            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Doesn't it depend on what THEY mean by bandwidth?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 20 nsec steps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, one thing at a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Impulse Tests are better            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       more capable scope            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I must have missed a step ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             TEK475            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                here's another alternative ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   DAC and pot in parallel?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Logically, not physically            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   new theory            01/01/70 00:00      
   3MHz is rather poor Bandwidth ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ordinary            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ther are many params needed            01/01/70 00:00      
   "only" $200 ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Low cost oscilloscopes            01/01/70 00:00      
         £291 > 2*($199)            01/01/70 00:00      
            It doesn't always work that way            01/01/70 00:00      
               Once upon a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   SDS8202            01/01/70 00:00      
      Read all the "fine print' first ... and ask any questions            01/01/70 00:00      
         bought it            01/01/70 00:00      
            Please let us know how this works out for you            01/01/70 00:00      
               datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
                  2mV/div - but min trig level?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Tests            01/01/70 00:00      
                        24ns            01/01/70 00:00      
                           and that's the crux            01/01/70 00:00      
                              FPGA pulse Expander (edited)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 some love the mother, some love the daughter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Here's omne fairly simple thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 self calibtrate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interesting            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          glurk            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             DCMs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Well....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I don't know where you're going with this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             xxxxx            01/01/70 00:00      
                           333ps            01/01/70 00:00      
      SDS9302            01/01/70 00:00      
         So, how are you exercising this new 'scope?            01/01/70 00:00      
            so far so good            01/01/70 00:00      
               So far so good ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  rise time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The rise time indicates that high frequencies gets dampened            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What does "bandwidth" mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        good test            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Perhaps you should repeat the test ...             01/01/70 00:00      

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