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06/10/12 17:43
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#187652 - Well, one thing at a time ...
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The TEK 475 has 10-Megohm inputs, so you don't have to solve the problem there. There are special 50-ohm termination adapters that one uses with that 'scope to make it process 50-ohm signals.

It's possible that the FPGA isn't putting out what you think it is, though. Could you perhaps have overlooked something? Just because the "OK, I'm done programming now" light cycles, doesn't mean it's putting out at the pins. Perhaps if you simply reduce the frequency at the outputs to a range in which you can actually "see" them on your 475, it will build confidence in what you've got.

When I mentioned that 20 ns interval, I wasn't referring to frequency, but, rather, to a phase shift between two of the outputs, therefore allowing you to observe how your new digital instrument handles a 2 MHz signal that's shifted 20 ns from another at the same frequency. If you have four channels, it should be able to display them. How it deals with the 20, 40, and 60 ns phase shift might be illuminating. Further, you can try 40, 50, and 60 ns phase shifts as well. At some point you should see some meaningful things, possibly things even the designers didn't consider. This won't be a problem for you, in that it will simply tell you when, in the course of a project, it's time to get out the 475 and use it.

I really like FPGA and CPLD eval boards for the type of work I do, since I often have to make them do specific things for each project, but I use the older ones because (a) the old Spartan-II boards had internal tristate resources, (b) they were 5-volt tolerant, (c) they used the older DLL's which I learned to use satisfactorily a decade ago, (c) I acquired a number of CPLD boards with lots of space a decade ago, and also a number of the associated CPLD's, so I can reuse some of them as-built, for things like test pattern generation, special-purpose counters, modulator/demodulators for custom modulation schemes, encryption/decryption, etc. I have in some cases combined these with certain MCU's for really specialized applications which seem to come up again and again.

A couple of decades ago, I believe I found an op-amp from National Semiconductor that was capable of driving a 50-ohm load, but I don't recall whether it was able to support a true swing of +/- 15 volts, which I rather imagine I wanted. I'll have a look ... if I can find any of the doc's on that arbitrary waveform generator we were building at the time, to see what it was. It was a fairly wideband buffer amp, though I don't know that it reached beyond 30 MHz or so at full amplitude. The one that you might consider today is the LM6181, though it won't perform to full voltage swing beyond +/-5 volts into 50 ohms because its current is limited to 100 mA. I've not used that one myself, but a colleague has mentioned it as an adequate driver for your circumstances, provided you don't need the higher voltage swing.

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DSO for cheap!            01/01/70 00:00      
   very good            01/01/70 00:00      
      Limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
         test results            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's valuable information            01/01/70 00:00      
         well, the fact is ..            01/01/70 00:00      
            tektronix 475 comparison            01/01/70 00:00      
               Really? Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
               another double post ... sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
   I think ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Application dependant            01/01/70 00:00      
         Indeed            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's still too low a bandwidth, wouldn't you say?            01/01/70 00:00      
   just curious, Joe could you try            01/01/70 00:00      
      Unusual with short pulses for hobbyist projects            01/01/70 00:00      
         is the clock running?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry, but no I can't.            01/01/70 00:00      
      10nSec Pulse            01/01/70 00:00      
         "at random" means what exactly ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
               more observations            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It may not be the sample rate ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     digital vs analog            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Don't get me wrong, here ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           poor mans's scope            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Doesn't it depend on what THEY mean by bandwidth?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 20 nsec steps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well, one thing at a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Impulse Tests are better            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       more capable scope            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I must have missed a step ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             TEK475            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                here's another alternative ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   DAC and pot in parallel?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Logically, not physically            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   new theory            01/01/70 00:00      
   3MHz is rather poor Bandwidth ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ordinary            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ther are many params needed            01/01/70 00:00      
   "only" $200 ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Low cost oscilloscopes            01/01/70 00:00      
         £291 > 2*($199)            01/01/70 00:00      
            It doesn't always work that way            01/01/70 00:00      
               Once upon a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   SDS8202            01/01/70 00:00      
      Read all the "fine print' first ... and ask any questions            01/01/70 00:00      
         bought it            01/01/70 00:00      
            Please let us know how this works out for you            01/01/70 00:00      
               datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
                  2mV/div - but min trig level?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Tests            01/01/70 00:00      
                        24ns            01/01/70 00:00      
                           and that's the crux            01/01/70 00:00      
                              FPGA pulse Expander (edited)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 some love the mother, some love the daughter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Here's omne fairly simple thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 self calibtrate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    interesting            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       yes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          glurk            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             DCMs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Well....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I don't know where you're going with this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             xxxxx            01/01/70 00:00      
                           333ps            01/01/70 00:00      
      SDS9302            01/01/70 00:00      
         So, how are you exercising this new 'scope?            01/01/70 00:00      
            so far so good            01/01/70 00:00      
               So far so good ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  rise time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The rise time indicates that high frequencies gets dampened            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What does "bandwidth" mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        good test            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Perhaps you should repeat the test ...             01/01/70 00:00      

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