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03/15/12 02:00
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#186675 - Some of those rules are showing their age
Responding to: ???'s previous message
First of all, I don't think 100 nF is "right" for IC bypass unless in parallel with about 200pF. The sharp edges on modern CMOS signals cause considerable ground bounce and, unless the cap's are extremely high-quality, they won't respond quickly enough to suppress the switching noise internal to most parts, especially if they're registered parts.

Additionally, I believe one should avoid too much power-gnd capacitance, as it will cause far too slow a decay of Vcc. This means there will be lots of time for circuits to misbehave during the period in which Vcc is still high enough to allow them to operate, but not high enough to ensure they operate correctly. Not all components, including MCU's behave the in the same way once Vcc is out of specified limits. All one can say is that they behave unpredictably, and since their limits are often quite different, that problem has to be mitigated in some way. I prefer to put a short circuit across Vcc, and, especially, the input to the last regulator.

I've been using very small-valued cap's to bypass HC, HCT, AC, ACT, and similar parts for decades with surprisingly good results. Your mileage may vary, but I doubt adding the tiny cap's will hurt, and you might actually find that 200 pF works well with those fast-clocked counters, shift registers, etc. After all, that 4.7 uF at the power entry will keep things smoothed with today's low-power circuits.

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Sine wave detection on microcontroller            01/01/70 00:00      
   Detect or measure?            01/01/70 00:00      
      not detection, measurement of sine wave signal            01/01/70 00:00      
         What are you measuring?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RMS and Average - 1st Priority            01/01/70 00:00      
               415 v            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I have to do using MCU            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Start simple            01/01/70 00:00      
                        if time is major isssue than.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                           People responding to specific questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Same Technique....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RMS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Sorry for my laziness            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 So what have you done?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Require more work...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Working on that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       options, options            01/01/70 00:00      
   Help me            01/01/70 00:00      
      Okay            01/01/70 00:00      
         Are many threads available            01/01/70 00:00      
      when you save a char ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why don't you specify your problem COMPLETELY?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Already specify it            01/01/70 00:00      
            there are some details?            01/01/70 00:00      
               comparisions            01/01/70 00:00      
                  How are you calculating your needed sample rate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     start with simple one....            01/01/70 00:00      
                        You do know sin(90+angle)? Or 2-log computations?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           ADC resolution............            01/01/70 00:00      
                              impossible or wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                              double post, ignore            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Precision Rectify:            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SCR Chopped Wave            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What accuracy do you need?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           CT accuracy            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the fundamental            01/01/70 00:00      
                              50Hz            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Precision rectifier is suitable for any waveform            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 are u sure??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Depends            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    must be severely bandwidth limited            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Maybe was circuit with top-voltage capacitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Sorry for confusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          What accuracy do you need?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             360/1024            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Not what he (or me) have asked            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   you are right....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Do you believe you can protect your circuit from noise?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Very Noisy environment            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      re Very Noisy environment            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Some of those rules are showing their age            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            here we go again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               think about this for a minute            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  when discussing a FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Well, when were those cap sizes determined?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Technology            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Steady state currents do not need decaps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Often low capacitance so limited charge. But remember load.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        fixations            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Nothing. has been proven yet.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              once more for the peanut gallery            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Where you sit determines what you see ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Off-topic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       difficult when ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Yes ... I don't know how we got here either            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          i do            01/01/70 00:00      

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