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05/19/06 02:52
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#116592 - Free wheeling schemes
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jon said:
First thing I noticed is when I removed the free wheel diodes, I had a performance increase. Very good torque and smooth stepping.

When removing the free wheel diodes, the built-in source to drain diodes of MOSFETs act as a free wheel, because these diodes show a specified avalanching effect, which allow a very fast decaying of motor current. This, because the avalanching effect takes place at an Uds of about 100V and because the higher the inductive kick is allowed to develop, when free wheeling, the faster the motor current decays!

Instead of the standard free wheel diode configuration, you can use a different methode to get a speeded-up decaying of motor current, which is discussed here

http://www.st.com/stonline/...s/1378.pdf (figure 19) and here

http://www.st.com/stonline/...n/1660.pdf (figure 2), for instance.

This methode uses a zener in series with the free wheel diodes, which allows a higher inductive kick and by this a faster decaying of motor current. For the zener you can use an unidirectional transzorb of course.

Jon said:
A strange thing though, even with a 50KHz+ chopping frequency, the motor has some odd sounds coming from it.

I see two possible reasons for it:

1. Because the free wheel current is shunted to ground by the internal and avalanching source to drain diodes,

2. and/or because the inductive kick allowed by the internal and avalanching source to drain diodes is too high and noisy arcings take place.

So, you should use a scheme, which (a) shunts the inductive kick not to ground but back to the motor terminals and (b) you should take a transzorb, which limits the inductive kick to an Uds of considerably less than 100V.

Or maybe it's just the scheme showed here

http://www.st.com/stonline/...s/1378.pdf (figure 20, with a turn-on voltage of transzorb of distinctly less than 100V)

which yields an optimum compromise between torque and noise?

Check it out...

Kai

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   Two sensing resistors            01/01/70 00:00      
      Oops...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Diodes            01/01/70 00:00      
            internal vs external diodes            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, but depends            01/01/70 00:00      
   Still having problems with this.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Scope plots?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Plots and Diodes            01/01/70 00:00      
            On the scope plots...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I don't see photos at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's all I can see:            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Ok, bad links... try this            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Ahh, much better!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Some Explanation            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I guess I know what happens...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Explaination            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I guess.. I don't follow...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Switch mode            01/01/70 00:00      
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      Additional questions            01/01/70 00:00      
         Additional Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
            More decoupling needed            01/01/70 00:00      
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            5.1 zener            01/01/70 00:00      
         Two more            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Two more            01/01/70 00:00      
               They should stay rather cool            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Right now            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't understand...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not Calculation... measurement            01/01/70 00:00      
            Peak versus DC?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Measurements            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What you see is not the motor current!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Rsense            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Pumping enery into inductance            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Current sensing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              3 amps/phase - unipolar config            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        I think your am-meter is not working cor            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Amps            01/01/70 00:00      
                              A scope plot would clear the situation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 set the scope to differential mode            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Shunt resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Parallel them            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                                Time constants            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                                            Have a nice lunch!            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                                               Scope plot            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  yup            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     RE:yup            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               RE: Another Idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  It explains why your DC current is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Yes...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Same setup            01/01/70 00:00      
   Where is this coming from...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Analysis            01/01/70 00:00      
   I can't !#$#@ believe it!            01/01/70 00:00      
      New Scope Plots            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ringing            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE:Ringing            01/01/70 00:00      
               save the trouble            01/01/70 00:00      
                  He already does!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Additionally            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, in HF boards            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Looks the same.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     5k + 2n and 10k+ 1n please            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Vsense Plots            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Aha!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              And...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Filtered Plots            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Sense of filtering            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 More Torque            01/01/70 00:00      
         Differential mode            01/01/70 00:00      
   Back at it again.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hmmm...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Free wheeling schemes            01/01/70 00:00      
         TVS value?            01/01/70 00:00      
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               Not my marriage... my dad's            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Success with fishing on the weekend?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes... I did get to go            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Comments            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Start with a 1.5KE6V8A            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No change with 1.5KE6V8A            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No difference with other values            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Last hope...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Same motor - different drive            01/01/70 00:00      
   Plots of current system            01/01/70 00:00      
      More plots            01/01/70 00:00      
   By golly, we're making headway now            01/01/70 00:00      
      Need of free wheels            01/01/70 00:00      
         Looking Back and Forward            01/01/70 00:00      
            A bit strong...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Strong            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Didn't work :((            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
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