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01/02/11 17:49
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 		 #180400 - Re: one C book should do
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik Malund said:
One final word stick to the serially programmable chips making a programmer makes no sense these days.


Oh, absolutely! Going over the datasheets and app notes, I'm leaning heavily towards the Atmel 89C51ED2 chips - 64K of onboard Flash program memory, 2K of EEPROM, and all the other bells&whistles one could think of using. :)

One thing that confuses me about the whole language debate - I understand that languages like C and Pascal are inherently more structure-oriented than BASIC... and as such, they force you to think about the structure of the program you're developing. But if you consider the structure from the outset, what does it really matter which higher-level language you decide to use?

Personally, I tend to work up a flowchart of what I want to do first. (It's a hold-over from my high-school computer programming courses, where we had to work out all the details first - before committing the program to punch-cards... :-O ) At that point, it shouldn't matter whether I code in C, Pascal, BASIC, Forth, or Assembly.

So languages like C and Pascal would be good for getting an unorganized programmer to learn how to organize programs properly... but if you're already organized, there wouldn't be any real difference.

Would there...? :)

List of 76 messages in thread
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Partial decoding of external memory...            01/01/70 00:00      
   8 bit DATA Space            01/01/70 00:00      
      aka "PDATA"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Adres Latch            01/01/70 00:00      
      corrections to all the above replies            01/01/70 00:00      
         Partial decoding of external memory...            01/01/70 00:00      
            There are two locations in the LCD            01/01/70 00:00      
               Re: There are two locations in the LCD            01/01/70 00:00      
                  timing is the reason ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     one fact expanded            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks for the advice...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        still?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Maybe it wouldn't hurt to spend time reading the datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Checking out the Datasheets...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's interesting ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Not all BASIC are the same            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    does that apply to BASCOM?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       "improvements" or extensions?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Modern versions of BASIC            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Re: That's interesting ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Programming on the Fringe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Re: Programming on the Fringe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          To PC or not - but avoid dead ends            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I'd recommend you think some more about all that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             That's the key!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Brain pollution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                re: teaching language            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Introduce a computer or introduce how to program            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Initial attraction is fundamental flaw            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Which concepts do you find particularly hard to grasp?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Pointers are normally the main problem when learning C            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Is the problem specifically 'C', though?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          pointers aren't unique to 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Pointers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Big difference in concept - C actually unusual            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Remember PEEK and POKE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Pointers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Pointers and type-safety            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          big problems            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Wrong direction            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                goes both ways            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Re: Which concepts do you find particularly hard to grasp?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Not a casual subject            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Re: Not a casual subject            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I think it's already been said in this thread...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                one C book should do            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Manzi?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   It might not hurt to do this in a different sequence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Re: one C book should do            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Language matters            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you haven't seen ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Languages helps but isn't enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Re: you haven't seen ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            RE: been looking at snippets            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Re: been looking at snippets            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Details in standard + compiler manual            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                      a book doesn't detail everything            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     You need to study the compiler documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        You need to lean the language first!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           my point was ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Re: You need to study the compiler documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Go directly for C            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              i second this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Re: Go Directly to C            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 C support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           the big advantage of PASCAL is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              C isn't that dangerous if caring for compiler warnings            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 So ... C++ is not of interest in this context            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    It's about bracketing claims            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       I did say, "in this context", didn't I?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Be careful with your asides!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Always give enough context to statements            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             OK ... I stand corrected            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                Separate thread!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   I hoped someone would do that            01/01/70 00:00      

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