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02/20/13 23:11
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#189428 - Once again ... Erik's right ... however ...
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... It's true enough that transition times are determined by the technology and not by the clock rate. However.that's a separate issue from the power supply requirement when you're trying to accomplish useful work, as when you have to drive motors or hefty relays, etc. Those require power, and not just 3 volts, though there are some that are quite happy with 3 volts. They do demand current, though.

As for the "solderless breadboards," if you use an older part, e.g. one of the old 12-clockers that has an internal clock of 1/12 the oscillator frequency, the risetimes can also be quite fast, but they settle quickly enough that circuitry designed to operate with 'em won't be too disturbed by a little noise resulting from crosstalk at the pins. The signals are slow enough and persistent enough that external circuitry will settle just as they do. It's not very convenient attaching things to a tqfp or the like, so the signals are often brought out to another device, often just a header, which is not smart if that leads to lengthy wires, but, if it's buffered with a driver of some sort, whether on the Devboard or on the target board, as long as lead lengths are minimized as much as possible, the practice won't cause much trouble.

Conclusion? If you're going to attach things to a Devboard, you should buffer it before going to wires longer than 10 cm, and with DC loading of 10 mA or more. The wires on my 'F120 EVK are long enough at the DIN-41612 connector that I need to buffer the signals before they get to the connector, and, thanks to the connector, probably should be buffered at the target board as well. That adds enough delay that timing might become an issue, so beware! I have a standard I/O arrangement that I use in development, with a CPU board on a backplane into which I can plug other experiments. This would be a problem at 100 MHz, of course, but even at 33 MHz, it's not been a problems so far.

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Your suggestions on starting things with MCUs (8-bit or 32)            01/01/70 00:00      
   what experience do you have?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Starter in electronics, good with programming.            01/01/70 00:00      
   There's more to consider            01/01/70 00:00      
      helpful.            01/01/70 00:00      
   You do realise that 8-bit != 8051 and 32-bit != ARM?            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes I understand.            01/01/70 00:00      
         I think these are the great starting points            01/01/70 00:00      
         Technical or semantics            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks for understanding and directions            01/01/70 00:00      
               All required books havee been mentioned            01/01/70 00:00      
               Also buy a multimeter and soldering equipment            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What would be the point of buying a photocopy?!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  what more should I buy?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     would be buying a serial2usb converter to work with laptop            01/01/70 00:00      
                        serial - USB            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Buy an oscilloscope            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bench PSU            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I've built my own PSU many times             01/01/70 00:00      
                           there is no need for a PSU            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's very true, and it's convenient, too ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   not at the same time            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yep, shall be starting with 8-bit            01/01/70 00:00      
         you must, to work with the '51 have a copy of 'the bible'            01/01/70 00:00      
            adding some more             01/01/70 00:00      
               And more...            01/01/70 00:00      
            good info            01/01/70 00:00      
               My reason for recommending a f12x kit            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Can work for different MCUs too?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SILabs only            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'm not so sure that $1000US will cover it            01/01/70 00:00      
                        very valuable, how about compatibility with breadboards?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           [ed] "Breadboards" ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: 0.1"-pitch DIL Package (DIP)            01/01/70 00:00      
                              emphasizing two points            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RE: Breadboards             01/01/70 00:00      
                           SiLabs toolsticks too..            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: SiLabs toolsticks             01/01/70 00:00      
                           stay away from beadboards            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Breadboards have their place            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 breadboards            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I have another RS232 solution ... and it's cheap            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       even better            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I don't think this will help at all ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Modern PCs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Sad, but true.             01/01/70 00:00      
                                             It does not look like USB            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Choosing Silabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 what is your budget?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    my budget is of $250 including shipping            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Would buy from digikey or mouser            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          at that budget ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             probability of getting blown?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Murphys law            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Take a close look at the devboard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Mouser/Digikey            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          if you stick with SILabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             only parttially true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                if you use a chip with USB            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   But...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      yes, if            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I would recommend that it should be!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            don't know what will I do..But I have a right to do mistakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Not having been an ATMEL user ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  NXP P89V664 based devkit good to start with?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     P89V664 based devkit             01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It's good to heed Erik's warning ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                                    just notes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Once again ... Erik's right ... however ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Skills more important than specific architectures            01/01/70 00:00      

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