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04/15/12 16:08
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 		 #187158 - But what is the relevance today?
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Richard Erlacher said:
From the fact we were dealing with ISDN, I'm sure you can conclude that this was over a decade ago, so I'm guessing it's unlikely students would have been assigned a task as you suggest, and subsequently distribute it with a LINUX version.

Linux have been with us for quite a number of years. And long before that, universities did use other Unix implementations. Quite a number of applications originated as school projects that later splitted into a myriad of variants.

A very large part of what is now called "Linux" is student work, or sometimes the work of university employees.

I did run Linux when a 486 was state-of-the-art (original kernel I used was 0.96 or 0.97 something), so if you did run a Linux-based OS, there was most definitely students active writing support applications. Some tools got ported from BSD. Some tools got completely new rewrites.

But don't you see the issue here with using the documentation state of an unknown getty from an unknown Linux distribution from maybe 10 (?) years ago as an example of the state of documentation of Linux systems today? Since that time, there have been a project ongoing to create a complete new OS from scratch. The "Linux" you talk about just happens to make use of a lot of the applications developed by GNU as part of the Hurd/Mach project. And that is the reason why your "Linux" is actually a GNU/Linux OS.

So the question then is - what is your view of the GNU-released tools in much use in Linux distributions? Because it is irrelevant to debate the state 10 years ago as relating to todays users.

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has linux had its chips?            01/01/70 00:00      
   some weirdo in sandals a ponytail            01/01/70 00:00      
      Problem is            01/01/70 00:00      
      possibly, but not only            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's all in the history ... and "read the code" doesn't work            01/01/70 00:00      
         Good points!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Why not a firm objective?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Lots of projects have a large percentage research            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I knew you'd have to come in with something irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Try document an invention before it's invented...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Here's some research for you, Per            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Richard to give an example            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I'd like YOU, Erik, to come up with one example ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Always prejudice from Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 'documenting' means many things            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 here we go again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    when you're wrong, you're wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I do not have a microscope and probes that small            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          So you've made no observations ... you just guessed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             and that irks you immensely            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                What did you do, aside from guessing?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   then please, tell me            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Are you willing to explore this in detail?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         now you are jumping            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Your references aren't exactly backing your view            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It's not about me ... it's about process            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But processes contains feedback loops            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I believe you've gone off-the-rails, Per            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       But getty isn't Linux            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          it's a small piece, but it's an example            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             But not of Linux            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                It was part of the distribution.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 'Research' can mean many things            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes, but that's in a different context            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You still haven't told what Linux documentation you miss            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I don't know what you mean            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Still claims based on assumptions and not facts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Not everyone is completely stupid            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   But what is the relevance today?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I've no opinion about the current LINUX            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         and, you Richard, who loves living in the past            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            just a minute, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Examples?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Nothing has changed since 15 years ago ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     at least not Richards opinions :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Still lots of assumptions and unbacked claims            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Oh, Richard, I have a job for you            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I had Yourdons first book as manuscript and ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              be careful ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 were you once a bartender ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You have to accept the difference ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 We are careful            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Hog Wash.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Odd that you see it that way ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I just documented fully            01/01/70 00:00      
               Because an "Objective" is not a final product specification            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I have to disagree ... the objective specification is step 1            01/01/70 00:00      
            documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
               Definitely not the "usual response"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Android            01/01/70 00:00      
      I don't think so            01/01/70 00:00      
         Don't agree            01/01/70 00:00      
      all due respect, no.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Apple may have a price match on the superluxourious            01/01/70 00:00      
            re: Apple may have a price match on the superluxourious            01/01/70 00:00      
               but 95% of the population does not need....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Web browsing normally the most power-hungry you can do            01/01/70 00:00      
                  re: 95%            01/01/70 00:00      
               So how exactly am I wrong?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But Android is Linux            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Just the opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
                        {sigh}            01/01/70 00:00      
                           just like the preacher said to the atheist            01/01/70 00:00      
                  re: How exactly?            01/01/70 00:00      
      850000 Android phones activated per day, linux video            01/01/70 00:00      
   anecdotes...            01/01/70 00:00      
      These guys...            01/01/70 00:00      
         digital audio consoles            01/01/70 00:00      
   The Rasperry Pi Foundation clearly doesn't think so!            01/01/70 00:00      
      The world isn't just a few companies            01/01/70 00:00      
   the basic problem with free software is...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Careful with the use of "Linux". Most things "Linux" aren't!            01/01/70 00:00      
         I did refer to linux itself            01/01/70 00:00      
            Wrong hw selected, or just big lack of platform knowledge?            01/01/70 00:00      
               a port            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Always danger with low-level code for platform            01/01/70 00:00      
      True - but "paid-for" is not necessarily any better!            01/01/70 00:00      
         when selecting any tool            01/01/70 00:00      
      As Stallman said.....            01/01/70 00:00      
         free            01/01/70 00:00      
            All about volume or already existing knowledge/experience            01/01/70 00:00      
   Well...say what you like about me, and many people do.            01/01/70 00:00      

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