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04/02/10 18:49
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#174787 - deviates
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Erik,

I actually agree with you about experience being a hindrance sometimes.

Here's one that can be baffling. I've done a handful of Xilinx Spartan 3AN designs in the last year, with one Virtex4 design. Now I'm doing a more-complex V4 design and told the layout guy, "You can use any pin that has a _LC or _CC as a differential output but not a differential input because these pins don't have the built-in LVDS termination."

Well, that's the way it is on Spartan 3AN, but that's wrong on V4. V4's "_LC_CC" pins simply don't have differential output drivers. "LC" means "low capacitance" and I guess by eliminating the LVDS output drivers they gain a 1pF improvement in input capacitance, or something. (Oh, and they DO have the built-in 100-ohm LVDS termination.)

So a boatload of LVDS pairs, tuned to matched lengths, had to be reassigned on other pins and rerouted. Yippee!

This is why we never build boards until the FPGA design is done, or at least in a state where all pins and I/O types are well-defined enough to pass through the tools without error or warnings. Especially this board: 14 layers.

-a

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Whinge about Eval and Quickstart kits            01/01/70 00:00      
   Most time probably spent with other work tasks            01/01/70 00:00      
   while I basically agree, some comments            01/01/70 00:00      
      Missing the point (ed)            01/01/70 00:00      
      What I want..            01/01/70 00:00      
         What I want..            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's a non-starter ... What if I need 5.9908 MHz?            01/01/70 00:00      
               re: What if I need 5.9908 MHz?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think Richard was being generic there...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Here's what I'd want ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Unfortunately agree            01/01/70 00:00      
      Proper documentation is part of the task            01/01/70 00:00      
         pedagogical            01/01/70 00:00      
         Fundamental problem with GUIs            01/01/70 00:00      
            GUI Settings Documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
               Screenshots            01/01/70 00:00      
   only today            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's the reason there's so much junk            01/01/70 00:00      
   as the little girl pointed out...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Previously, on 8052.com...            01/01/70 00:00      
   who's evaluating who?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Changing the installation location.            01/01/70 00:00      
      filenames with spaces in it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
         Bizarre bugs.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Spaces            01/01/70 00:00      
         "My Documents" directory            01/01/70 00:00      
            May and may...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Xilinx            01/01/70 00:00      
      Or, perhaps worse, none ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   What is the purpose?            01/01/70 00:00      
      The way I see it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Disagree (mostly)            01/01/70 00:00      
            well            01/01/70 00:00      
               quite so            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Easy to get a customer to move to a competitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The problem stems from...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Misses in communication and assumptions alas common            01/01/70 00:00      
                           'first demo' to a customer ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's because            01/01/70 00:00      
               not only that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         see above ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      I've looked at a lot of "eval" boards ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         app notes            01/01/70 00:00      
            a CD with their demo boards            01/01/70 00:00      
            what good would that do?            01/01/70 00:00      
               mark this on your calendar ... Erik and I agree!            01/01/70 00:00      
               project files            01/01/70 00:00      
                  how?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  run != tested            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's exactly the wrong attitude            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wrong or not, makes sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                        But            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What goes around comes around            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I think something got lost            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yes MANUFACTURERS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Per, I do not disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    no synergy?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       au contraire            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the key is in UNDERSTANDING the example            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    deviate vs derivative            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       SILabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          deviates            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Portable within company portfolio            01/01/70 00:00      
   Devkits            01/01/70 00:00      

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