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03/26/10 16:23
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#174528 - Here's what I'd want ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik Malund said:
Whine about Eval and Quickstart kits, why are they often fairly crap

Code examples that don't build
nothing necessarily wrong with that. I may give you a quickly written 'example' as a guide

Poor coding standards
Is that 'poor' or "not to your liking" I, most often, find the second to be the case

While that's quite likely, my problem over the years, and I sometimes use as many as a couple of dozen ev-boards in a proof-of-concept, which is the mainstay of my business, has been that the "examples" don't work at all.

Changing the installation locations breaks things
A royal pain in the gluteus maximus

This is seldom a problem caused by the hardware, but, more often, the high-level code used to "do the deed." If it were written in thoroughly documented ASM, it would be no problem to use it. Even in thoroughly documented HLL, it would be useable, but, instead, it's provided as a broken executable.

The breadboard area just has a bunch of through holes
what else would you want?

I'd want power and ground planes poured throughout opposite sides of the "breadboard area" with plated-through holes to which one could solder and safely/nondestructively desolder, AND dimensions to fit standard ribbon cable connectors, e.g. 2x25, 2x20, 2x17, 2x13, etc. Often I've had a prototype area that was just one or two holes short of being useful, yet had plenty of room for the misisng holes, which I then had to have drilled.

Erik

EVK makers seldom think about what people are going to do with their product. They simply want to sell as many as possible to the supporting IC vendor. The IC vendor doesn't care what they're used for either, so long as people take a look at their product. They don't realize that people willing to spend $100 on their EVK might want to be able to do useful work with the EVK. After all, I don't care what the IC is, if it will do my job.

Of course, there's also the obsolescence problem. Once the EVK is in the supply chain, the support quickly (often within 90 days) dies off.

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TopicAuthorDate
Whinge about Eval and Quickstart kits            01/01/70 00:00      
   Most time probably spent with other work tasks            01/01/70 00:00      
   while I basically agree, some comments            01/01/70 00:00      
      Missing the point (ed)            01/01/70 00:00      
      What I want..            01/01/70 00:00      
         What I want..            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's a non-starter ... What if I need 5.9908 MHz?            01/01/70 00:00      
               re: What if I need 5.9908 MHz?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think Richard was being generic there...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Here's what I'd want ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Unfortunately agree            01/01/70 00:00      
      Proper documentation is part of the task            01/01/70 00:00      
         pedagogical            01/01/70 00:00      
         Fundamental problem with GUIs            01/01/70 00:00      
            GUI Settings Documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
               Screenshots            01/01/70 00:00      
   only today            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's the reason there's so much junk            01/01/70 00:00      
   as the little girl pointed out...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Previously, on 8052.com...            01/01/70 00:00      
   who's evaluating who?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Changing the installation location.            01/01/70 00:00      
      filenames with spaces in it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
         Bizarre bugs.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Spaces            01/01/70 00:00      
         "My Documents" directory            01/01/70 00:00      
            May and may...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Xilinx            01/01/70 00:00      
      Or, perhaps worse, none ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   What is the purpose?            01/01/70 00:00      
      The way I see it            01/01/70 00:00      
         Disagree (mostly)            01/01/70 00:00      
            well            01/01/70 00:00      
               quite so            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Easy to get a customer to move to a competitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The problem stems from...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Misses in communication and assumptions alas common            01/01/70 00:00      
                           'first demo' to a customer ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's because            01/01/70 00:00      
               not only that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         see above ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      I've looked at a lot of "eval" boards ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         app notes            01/01/70 00:00      
            a CD with their demo boards            01/01/70 00:00      
            what good would that do?            01/01/70 00:00      
               mark this on your calendar ... Erik and I agree!            01/01/70 00:00      
               project files            01/01/70 00:00      
                  how?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  run != tested            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's exactly the wrong attitude            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wrong or not, makes sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                        But            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What goes around comes around            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I think something got lost            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yes MANUFACTURERS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Per, I do not disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    no synergy?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       au contraire            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the key is in UNDERSTANDING the example            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    deviate vs derivative            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       SILabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          deviates            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Portable within company portfolio            01/01/70 00:00      
   Devkits            01/01/70 00:00      

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