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03/17/06 13:36
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#112379 - said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Managers should interfere if the rank'n'file are going off on a wild tangent with a project, but otherwise stay out of their hair. How would a non-technical manager know the difference?
How right you are.
A story going something like this: " when I came in (asked to help them with banking) there was 4 "programmers" (the manager did not know that "a" programmer is not a '51 programmer) using malloc, function pointers, RTOS float6ing point and who knows what else on the 3rd revision of the hardware (the HW designer knew that 2-4k was enough, but had to accomodate the "programmers" with first 64k, then 256k). Well, once i realized what the task was and seeing the mess, I went to the non-technical manager and told him to throw the "programmers" out and get a '51 guy (this was a "weekend emergency help" while being busy with something else). He refused stating "they are all very well qualified" to which I could only respond "to do what?". Well I have since seen the product and, yes, it works, but how much faster, better and cheaper would it not have been if done by a '51 guy in 4k and a month?"

The main purpose of mid-level managers is to provide a buffer between the troops and the clueless high-level management. High-level management decides what needs to be done. Mid-level managers keep the high-level dorks from mucking with the troops so that the technical people can get the job done. At the same time, they make sure that the troops are actually getting the job done.
said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "the first duty of a manager is to protect his employees"

Erik

PS Buddy Norton is just a guy I once worked for. Not a public speaker or such (as far as I knew)

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   well....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
         Another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
            watch the fora            01/01/70 00:00      
               another case            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
   Grades            01/01/70 00:00      
      thats not the case at all            01/01/70 00:00      
         you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
         The answer is            01/01/70 00:00      
            qualifications            01/01/70 00:00      
               Natural Selection?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  And the sad thing is that after they hav            01/01/70 00:00      
   candidates for what job?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well ... back when I was a student ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Wide range of Jobs            01/01/70 00:00      
         generalists            01/01/70 00:00      
            People Shapes            01/01/70 00:00      
         There are problems            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not university fault            01/01/70 00:00      
               most universitys            01/01/70 00:00      
               Very true mr Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'm not sure that's true.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thats life            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bosses don't            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Consent            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Try not to step in the management            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Technical management            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The best bosses I've had ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You're right, of course, That's life            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Technical Guru            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Usefull            01/01/70 00:00      
                     mgt!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        sure you can - and you have to            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Meeting a Schedule            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Lets face it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Pet topic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I have to agree ... it's a big lie ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the reverse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hmmm..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's more than that, ... and less ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       One more thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          that piano player            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Paraphrase            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                old generation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Et tu Brute?            01/01/70 00:00      
   contd....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Degree or no degree            01/01/70 00:00      
         who? what? and another            01/01/70 00:00      
            and a theif!            01/01/70 00:00      
            And            01/01/70 00:00      
               Read all about it...            01/01/70 00:00      
   he never said they would make good bosse            01/01/70 00:00      
   I cannot belive            01/01/70 00:00      
   Shocking!!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Good news :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, the REAL good news ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         mmm            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, that IS good news!            01/01/70 00:00      

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