Email: Password: Remember Me | Create Account (Free)

Back to Subject List

Old thread has been locked -- no new posts accepted in this thread
???
03/15/06 05:37
Read: times


 
#112204 - Well ... back when I was a student ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Now, I wasn't in engineering school, being a math type, but the engineering undergraduate I've conversed with since then, have all told me that they had to build their own processor during what's essentially a "programming languages and processors" course, and not a "canned" design, but one for which they first had to design a machine (assembly) language and a compiler, and write/debug/document them so they could prove everything works. Not all students succeed in this effort, but they have an entire semester to do it. They could probably get through the task without learning what a transistor is and how it works, but I'm quite sure they learned about soldering, wire-wrapping, or whatever their technique of choice for assembling the thing was. They also learned about databooks, and the like, since they had to figure out what sorts of parts to use and how to wire them. Presumably, they had already learned about constructing programs in regimented programming language training, probably 'C' these days, but typically Fortran when I was in school.

I've met professional engineers, some of them quite capable in their respective roles, who couldn't do that. There are several reasons, among which are the inability to plan ahead sufficiently to be able to adhere to a plan for 4 months, lack of application to one or another phase of the task, which problem was probably mitigated by the fact that this project is typically done by two or more persons as a team, and a severe distaste for the discipline that design and implementation of either hardware or software, and I think software requires more of it, to enable one to do that part of the work. Nonethess, just as the folks who didn't succeed in getting their project to work often passed the course, such individuals can make substantial contributions to a major engineering task. Unfortunately, you can seldom prove that from college transcritps or letters form the department head.

For many, going to college is a way to postpone having to make one's own way. When I was a student, some people thought it was a good way to avoid military service, which, back then, could prove quite hazardous. Today, it would seem it's just a way to keep from having to do something useful for a few more years.

Judging from the fresh graduates I frequently encounter, I'd say it will be some time before they're able to do much of anything useful.

RE




List of 66 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Fresh graduates Job interview            01/01/70 00:00      
   well....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
         Another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
            watch the fora            01/01/70 00:00      
               another case            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
   Grades            01/01/70 00:00      
      thats not the case at all            01/01/70 00:00      
         you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
         The answer is            01/01/70 00:00      
            qualifications            01/01/70 00:00      
               Natural Selection?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  And the sad thing is that after they hav            01/01/70 00:00      
   candidates for what job?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well ... back when I was a student ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Wide range of Jobs            01/01/70 00:00      
         generalists            01/01/70 00:00      
            People Shapes            01/01/70 00:00      
         There are problems            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not university fault            01/01/70 00:00      
               most universitys            01/01/70 00:00      
               Very true mr Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'm not sure that's true.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thats life            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bosses don't            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Consent            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Try not to step in the management            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Technical management            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The best bosses I've had ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You're right, of course, That's life            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Technical Guru            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Usefull            01/01/70 00:00      
                     mgt!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        sure you can - and you have to            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Meeting a Schedule            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Lets face it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Pet topic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I have to agree ... it's a big lie ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the reverse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hmmm..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's more than that, ... and less ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       One more thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          that piano player            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Paraphrase            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                old generation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Et tu Brute?            01/01/70 00:00      
   contd....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Degree or no degree            01/01/70 00:00      
         who? what? and another            01/01/70 00:00      
            and a theif!            01/01/70 00:00      
            And            01/01/70 00:00      
               Read all about it...            01/01/70 00:00      
   he never said they would make good bosse            01/01/70 00:00      
   I cannot belive            01/01/70 00:00      
   Shocking!!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Good news :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, the REAL good news ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         mmm            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, that IS good news!            01/01/70 00:00      

Back to Subject List