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03/16/06 05:35
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#112274 - There are problems
Responding to: ???'s previous message
One of the obstacles I hear about often enough is that if you have a resume and cover letter that clearly shows that a person has single-handedly written a number of operating systems, compilers, assemblers, and a wide range of other applications, but not mentioned parallel port drivers, he won't be invited for an interview for a position requiring experience having parallel port driver requirements, because the HR droid doesn't know that the person with that history can easily write a driver. That's doubly true if the person involved, though he clearly and demonstrably is capable, lacks a primary credential like the educational qualification that's been the subject of this thread from time to time.

Consider the guy who graduated with a BS in math and later went to grad school and, after a short time, was awarded his doctorate, say, in operations research. Most HR guys don't even know what operations research is. I know of a fellow who has a BS math from Harvard, which he got at 17 years, and who later got his doctorate from MIT (just down the river from Harvard) at 19. He's embarassed that he hasn't got an engineering degree, but he hasn't got one, though he's worked in engineering for many years. He gets work, and does it well, but has trouble getting past the personnel office unless he knows someone on the inside.

I've known excellent programmers who've gotten their education in economics, or in music. I've known terrible programmers who have advanced degrees in software engineering. In fact, it's hard for me to think of a software type who has the personality and discipline required to be an engineer. I know a few excellent engineers who are also excellent programmers. Their eductation isn't in software, though, but, rather in electrical engineering.

It's not exactly true that U.S. electrical engineering curricula are all light on software. When I last looked, admittedly a long time ago, when my sons were considering what to do, the EE curriculum at local engineering schools included a year of Pascal, a year of 'C', a semester of assembler, and a semester of operating systems. It also included a course I've mentioned before, namely Programming Languages and Processors, in the course of which one had to build an original computer based on an original CPU, implemented in SSI/MSI and write the required cross-assembler, cross-compiler, and resident debugger for it. That's not light work for a semester. That was one "3-hour" course, and these guys had on the order of 18 hours' classes.

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   well....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
         Another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
            watch the fora            01/01/70 00:00      
               another case            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
   Grades            01/01/70 00:00      
      thats not the case at all            01/01/70 00:00      
         you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
         The answer is            01/01/70 00:00      
            qualifications            01/01/70 00:00      
               Natural Selection?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  And the sad thing is that after they hav            01/01/70 00:00      
   candidates for what job?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well ... back when I was a student ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Wide range of Jobs            01/01/70 00:00      
         generalists            01/01/70 00:00      
            People Shapes            01/01/70 00:00      
         There are problems            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not university fault            01/01/70 00:00      
               most universitys            01/01/70 00:00      
               Very true mr Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'm not sure that's true.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thats life            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bosses don't            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Consent            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Try not to step in the management            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Technical management            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The best bosses I've had ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t            01/01/70 00:00      
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                  Technical Guru            01/01/70 00:00      
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                     mgt!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        sure you can - and you have to            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Meeting a Schedule            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Lets face it            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                 I have to agree ... it's a big lie ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the reverse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hmmm..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's more than that, ... and less ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       One more thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          that piano player            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Paraphrase            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                old generation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Et tu Brute?            01/01/70 00:00      
   contd....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Degree or no degree            01/01/70 00:00      
         who? what? and another            01/01/70 00:00      
            and a theif!            01/01/70 00:00      
            And            01/01/70 00:00      
               Read all about it...            01/01/70 00:00      
   he never said they would make good bosse            01/01/70 00:00      
   I cannot belive            01/01/70 00:00      
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   Good news :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, the REAL good news ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         mmm            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, that IS good news!            01/01/70 00:00      

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