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03/15/06 00:37
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#112196 - I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
About 20 years ago, I engaged a senior faculty member and one of his graduate students to handle the documentation and design as well as first-pass prototyping of a project for one of my clients.

They seemed to be progressing adequately, based on their discusisons, but, upon reaching the first milestone, a completed objective specification, it became apparent that they had no idea at all of how one should proceed to get from one end of a job, any job, to the other.

After paying them and telling them the job had changed in character and their help was no longer needed, I hired a high-school studen some 15 years old to do the job, and he completed it admirably, including the paperwork in three days of a long weekend.

Since then I've been suspicious of academia, as the "lofty premise" oft-discussed there, seems to be a counterproductive medium in the real world. I once mentioned that I recently was disappointed in my effort to hire two guys, and having interviewed six guys who demonstrated that they could, despite their extensive credentials, neither read adequately to comprehend a magazine article, nor write down what they'd seen when the process described in the article was demonstrated to them, ended up doing my own work and that of the two guys we never hired for about a year.

The problem is that many of the professors now in the hallowed halls of academia have no experience in the "real" world at all.

When I went to school, both undergraduate and graduate, my professors and instructors, as well as laboratory supervisors, librarians, and, probably, janitors and cooks, were all experienced in the world of industry, having numerous accomplishments to their credit. That's no longer the case. In our public school system, teachers advance, not by learning something relevant to real-life experiences, but only by taking more courses in education. As a result, our young are taught to be teachers, and little else.

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Fresh graduates Job interview            01/01/70 00:00      
   well....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
         Another approach            01/01/70 00:00      
            watch the fora            01/01/70 00:00      
               another case            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not sure this is bulletproof ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
   Grades            01/01/70 00:00      
      thats not the case at all            01/01/70 00:00      
         you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not really            01/01/70 00:00      
         The answer is            01/01/70 00:00      
            qualifications            01/01/70 00:00      
               Natural Selection?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  And the sad thing is that after they hav            01/01/70 00:00      
   candidates for what job?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well ... back when I was a student ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Wide range of Jobs            01/01/70 00:00      
         generalists            01/01/70 00:00      
            People Shapes            01/01/70 00:00      
         There are problems            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not university fault            01/01/70 00:00      
               most universitys            01/01/70 00:00      
               Very true mr Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'm not sure that's true.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thats life            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bosses don't            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Consent            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Try not to step in the management            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Technical management            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The best bosses I've had ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              said in one sentence by Buddy Norton: "t            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You're right, of course, That's life            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Technical Guru            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Usefull            01/01/70 00:00      
                     mgt!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't entirely agree or disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        sure you can - and you have to            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Meeting a Schedule            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Lets face it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Pet topic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I have to agree ... it's a big lie ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the reverse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hmmm..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's more than that, ... and less ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       One more thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          that piano player            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Paraphrase            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                old generation            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Et tu Brute?            01/01/70 00:00      
   contd....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Degree or no degree            01/01/70 00:00      
         who? what? and another            01/01/70 00:00      
            and a theif!            01/01/70 00:00      
            And            01/01/70 00:00      
               Read all about it...            01/01/70 00:00      
   he never said they would make good bosse            01/01/70 00:00      
   I cannot belive            01/01/70 00:00      
   Shocking!!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Good news :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, the REAL good news ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         mmm            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, that IS good news!            01/01/70 00:00      

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