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09/21/10 12:47
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#178621 - Phase angle control...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Kiran, I would use phase angle control only in combination with loads which can easily withstand 100% duty cycle without being in danger to be damaged, like your heater. Lamps, for instance, I would dimm by phase angle control, heaters, if they can withstand a 100% duty cylce for more than several seconds.

In applications where the load cannot withstand 100% duty cycle I would use a different technique to reduce the power, because phase angle control needs an idealy working zero cross detector which unfortunately is a thing that does not actually exist. There are so many instances when a zero cross detector can fail that I would not trust a phase angle control to limit the power of a load that cannot withstand 100% duty cycle.

Are you sure, that the heater is 230V rated at all and not 110V?? A heater, that cannot withstand the full mains voltage for some seconds or so but needs control over milliseconds periods seems to me to be a really bad design. Maybe the heater is the problem and it is just unhappy coincidence that it failed with your controller?

Kai Klaas

List of 41 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
What is the reason for Heater blowing.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Hof often/how we?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some more information...            01/01/70 00:00      
   continuous rating            01/01/70 00:00      
      This could be the reason...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Way too much current...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some more information required...            01/01/70 00:00      
   do you have hysteresis in your control?            01/01/70 00:00      
      No there is no hysteresis.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Four pulses?            01/01/70 00:00      
            The Heaters are failing, electronics is OK.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Why Pulses?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I will do just that...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Processor must know about zero-crossings            01/01/70 00:00      
               ??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  soft start            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Soft Start            01/01/70 00:00      
                        an easy and interesting check            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Soft start, again...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes these heaters need Soft start            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Again: Power? Voltage? Current?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Avoid driving gate all the way to next zero crossing            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Crest factor/power factor correction            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Phase angle control...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I agree with you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Good luck!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           are all heating coils the same ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           There You Go            01/01/70 00:00      
         re the possible need for hysteresis            01/01/70 00:00      
         Power? Voltage? Current?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Alternate Heating Control Algorithm            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some more clarification...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Voltage - or power? [ed]            01/01/70 00:00      
   The other controllers            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks All members.            01/01/70 00:00      
   just suggest..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Reply to JecksonS Ben            01/01/70 00:00      
         Good point!            01/01/70 00:00      
            supposed to            01/01/70 00:00      
         opto isolated triac            01/01/70 00:00      
   My solution            01/01/70 00:00      

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