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09/20/10 23:38
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#178614 - Soft start, again...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik said:
use an ohmmeter to measure the resistance of a cold heating element and compare that to the rating (w). That will tell you the ratio of resistance cold/hot.

Exactly!

As a very simple soft start you can turn on the heater using a pre-resistor or NTC for limiting of inrush current, which is later, after the preheating period, shorted by the main triac.

Finally, when the end temperature is reached you can turn on and turn off the heater during so and so many mains periods. In many cases a phase angle control of heater isn't actually needed then, especially if the thermal inertia of heater is big.

Controls using a current limiting element for the preheating period are extremely robust, because the triac and the heater have only to withstand a much lower inrush current. I think here of occurrences when the zero crossing detector is running ill for some reason...

Kai Klaas

List of 41 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
What is the reason for Heater blowing.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Hof often/how we?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some more information...            01/01/70 00:00      
   continuous rating            01/01/70 00:00      
      This could be the reason...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Way too much current...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some more information required...            01/01/70 00:00      
   do you have hysteresis in your control?            01/01/70 00:00      
      No there is no hysteresis.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Four pulses?            01/01/70 00:00      
            The Heaters are failing, electronics is OK.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Why Pulses?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I will do just that...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Processor must know about zero-crossings            01/01/70 00:00      
               ??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  soft start            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Soft Start            01/01/70 00:00      
                        an easy and interesting check            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Soft start, again...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes these heaters need Soft start            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Again: Power? Voltage? Current?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Avoid driving gate all the way to next zero crossing            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Crest factor/power factor correction            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Phase angle control...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I agree with you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Good luck!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           are all heating coils the same ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           There You Go            01/01/70 00:00      
         re the possible need for hysteresis            01/01/70 00:00      
         Power? Voltage? Current?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Alternate Heating Control Algorithm            01/01/70 00:00      
      Some more clarification...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Voltage - or power? [ed]            01/01/70 00:00      
   The other controllers            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks All members.            01/01/70 00:00      
   just suggest..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Reply to JecksonS Ben            01/01/70 00:00      
         Good point!            01/01/70 00:00      
            supposed to            01/01/70 00:00      
         opto isolated triac            01/01/70 00:00      
   My solution            01/01/70 00:00      

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