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09/23/09 01:40
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 		 #169051 - You have good points, but think about this...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Andy Neil said:
Everyone needs help at some point and whether its here or somewhere else, playing the high and mighty card.....uncool....and unnecessary.

But spoon-feeding the ones who have made no effort at all is no help to anyone!

Look at these recent examples on the Keil forum:
http://www.keil.com/forum/docs/thread15597.asp
http://www.keil.com/forum/docs/thread15592.asp
http://www.keil.com/forum/docs/thread15583.asp

Do you honestly beleive that these are diligent students, keen to work hard on their assignments?

Do you have kids, Chris? If so, do they ever ask you for help with their homework?
Mine do, and it would often be easier to just take it off them and do it myself rather than spend time explaining the stuff so that they can do it themsleves - but who would that help?!



Yes I do, 3, of course they do. I make them work it out, but I sure as hell don't belittle them in the process, and if I have to explain it 15 times to ensure they get it right.......then damn it that is what will be done......because they learn by instruction and doing.......not belittling them or making them feel inadequate.

It's funny because the way people talk on an Internet forum is so far from how they would in person. Probably because if they ever tried that in person, most of there teeth would be in a pile in the back of their mouth. But hey, this is the Internet, and everyone has to flex somewhere I guess.


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Slowing down            01/01/70 00:00      
   Its because...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Never been a problem before            01/01/70 00:00      
         How many Questions can be asked?            01/01/70 00:00      
            This is why we need to diversify            01/01/70 00:00      
               Share all your embarassing illnesses            01/01/70 00:00      
                  poetry corner            01/01/70 00:00      
               diversification            01/01/70 00:00      
                  OK            01/01/70 00:00      
   I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
      Slow down?            01/01/70 00:00      
         School affects processor of choice for projects            01/01/70 00:00      
   Just wait another week or two ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
      Atmel AVR            01/01/70 00:00      
      Aye, ... there's the rub ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         ARM competes with both 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit competitors            01/01/70 00:00      
            gcc isn't bad, but it doesn't match the code quality            01/01/70 00:00      
               gcc may catch up            01/01/70 00:00      
                  being unhappy with gcc            01/01/70 00:00      
                     They have different roots            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's all about cost            01/01/70 00:00      
               Diversity            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The jury is still out ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Everyones needs are different            01/01/70 00:00      
                        You can't "test" it that way            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Still, majority of embedded systems are small            01/01/70 00:00      
                              An evaluation board with a gazillion features are of no use            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It's not a replacement for the target            01/01/70 00:00      
                           none, but few care            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Compare its cost ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Assuming that matters            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Eval Board Cost irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Not likely, but possible            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That's not why I use 'em            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Then make one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          and look at the cost!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             what cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Free!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Can only confirm            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Sometimes it gives you insight            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Relations with distributors may affect freebies            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Perhaps, and because ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               and so what            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  and so, I didn't take it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Insight            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            it reflects the manufacturer's attitude about his customer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Just try to get one when you NEED it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    It's the platform ... not just the target.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        and '51s            01/01/70 00:00      
   Maybe all the brow beatings......            01/01/70 00:00      
      There are simple reasons            01/01/70 00:00      
         How to get good answers - Ask Questions The Smart Way            01/01/70 00:00      
      Which that attitude chris            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thanks for proving my point for me            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not so fast, Chris ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Verbally beating them up is the only option.            01/01/70 00:00      
               You must be joking            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Nobody "lumped you in" ... except you            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Again you are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                        If you hadn't demonstrated your unwillingness to search            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A forum is not a tutorial            01/01/70 00:00      
            I didn't get where I am today...            01/01/70 00:00      
               You have good points, but think about this...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Kids; homework            01/01/70 00:00      
            ASKING for help            01/01/70 00:00      
               Interesting but I must disagree.... to a point            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Examples?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     many moons ago before I worked were I do now            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Well, the reason you're "getting it" from me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's not a default response!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     i don't disagree.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                        code of how to post a question            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I get it....seriously            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Arguments doesn't add up with real world            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Per, its not about the logic.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Oh yes you did!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Illogical!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Its a resume.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Key Skills            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             My view            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Key skills...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                decline in 8052.com traffic...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not really 'grammar'            01/01/70 00:00      
      with Google, its difficult to wade through the material            01/01/70 00:00      
         I agree, but seriously.....            01/01/70 00:00      
            If it's overwhelming, you need to find another pursuit.            01/01/70 00:00      
               I really don't know what your problem is            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You haven't improved your syntax ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     thanks for the chuckle            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I've been a teacher of English since 1952 when I learned it            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You aren't my father or teacher            01/01/70 00:00      
                              pray tell which dictionary has this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 it doesn't            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    It seems as though the only one who's "uptight" is you            01/01/70 00:00      
                              To (sic) bad            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 And this is the petty stuff I'm talking about Andy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    this is almost hilarious            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       bravo Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          high standards???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You knew            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I have no problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Guess this must be the only site you frequent            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Incorrect            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      very well, thank you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      two wrongs does not make a right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Well,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Yes, but a.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Goodness! You said you were done ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Not for you to worry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          There's another syntax error!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Your pathetic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                was that deliberate...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   He's not that clever ... nor is he that well-versed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Speak for yourself            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Another syntax error!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Again and again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    If you think that's "petty"...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Apples and Oranges            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          All apples, to me            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Whatever works for you I guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                all my programs are 0 warnings, 0 errors.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Well I guess if it runs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      err            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         fixed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Mud throwing            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You were defeated before you began, Chris            01/01/70 00:00      
            Missing the point            01/01/70 00:00      
               seconded            01/01/70 00:00      
            coming to think of it 'how' and 'what'            01/01/70 00:00      
   "How it's made"            01/01/70 00:00      

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