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01/23/08 21:57
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#149889 - To some extent
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
The use of "software" and "engineering" in the same context has often caused me to cringe.

Why?

Here in the U.S, after 50 years of evolution, software is still seen as an art form rather than and engineering discipline.

It's both. So is hardware engineering, and just about every other form of engineering.

Mixing "IT" with Software "Engineering" makes me cringe, too.

Makes me cringe too. IT = Incompetent Twits. Haven't seen an IT department yet where it doesn't apply. IT departments don't hire software engineers; they hire Windows monkeys who've learned which buttons to click to make certain things happen. They haven't a clue what really goes on when they click the buttons.

Example of the (in)competence of IT dweebs: I couldn't upload to an ftp server because although I could successfully log in, any attempt to upload files caused the server to go out to lunch. While on the phone with the IT monkey, he asked me what program I was using to upload. I told him--ftp. His response was "Yes, but what program are you using?" To him, ftp was a protocol only. Since he had only Windows knowledge, and very little of that, he was completely unaware of the fact that it's also the name of the Unix program.

To this day, I still can't upload to their server. I had to put the web page on my own server and have a department head link to it.



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finally somebody said it...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Its not actualy the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   well why don't they ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   They are not equivalent            01/01/70 00:00      
      To some extent            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dewar not in this universe            01/01/70 00:00      
      Wrong...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Possibly            01/01/70 00:00      
            wow, things have changed            01/01/70 00:00      
               And not for the better            01/01/70 00:00      
                  a correlation to Davids arguments            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What's wrong with Java on '51?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        the more portability the more you pay            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Hehe            01/01/70 00:00      
                              naah            01/01/70 00:00      
                              from all my Lunux experience straightly follows...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 not a flame, just some thoughts as to why            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Not a flame either, just some facts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Jeff, why did you bypass the original issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I didn't            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             is that what you clean between the teeth with?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                FOSS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not as much 'share' as market            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Hmmm            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Applications            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   the two above, Carig/Jeff ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Yes, they'll ask questions like ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Power-Point Platform            01/01/70 00:00      
                           this was the point I tried to make            01/01/70 00:00      
   Don't despair            01/01/70 00:00      
   Fully Agree With Eric and that guy            01/01/70 00:00      
      a correlation to Eskos post            01/01/70 00:00      
      Poor education all across the board            01/01/70 00:00      
         Is basic IT education needed ?            01/01/70 00:00      

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