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09/29/06 15:40
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 		 #125375 - structured programming
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Programming languages in fact do not have built-in support for structured programming; rather, they have built-in restrictions for unstructured programming... On that account, any language can be used in structured form, even asm; although I doubt anybody can resist the temptation...

When I was taught programming in (secondary) school, we used to write down our first programs in a made-up (actually, Pascal-like) language using keywords of our language; then, to verify the result, we hand-translated it into BASIC according to firmly set rules and typed in and run in the then used 8-bitter school computer (PMD-85). Of course, this approach works, but is slow, cumbersom etc. - as are those languages (and the resulting code from them) which "support" structured programming, strong typing, and all those "good habits" etc.etc.

Jan Waclawek

PS. <shameless advertising> Andy, if you really want BASIC on AT89C51RD2 for really cheap (= free), and you don't mind it's not structured, modern, etc. and even interpreted=slow, get my modification of BASIC52 for RD2, burn it into the chip, run a terminal program, and go.</shameless advertising>

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Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
   2K            01/01/70 00:00      
      Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
   the problem is that BASIC isn't            01/01/70 00:00      
      Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
         if you're happy with a few-kHz update rate, maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
   Reports of my demise are greatly exagerrated            01/01/70 00:00      
      There is other stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
         Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
            i thought basic had dies a long time ago            01/01/70 00:00      
               to goto or not to goto            01/01/70 00:00      
                  you're right about 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     dead horse            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ..or used the syntax            01/01/70 00:00      
                     incomplete statement            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Not the hammer's fault if you can't drive a nail            01/01/70 00:00      
               No longer true, anyhow            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Structures in the mind            01/01/70 00:00      
                     structured programming            01/01/70 00:00      
                     EVEN Pascal            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ISO            01/01/70 00:00      
               The new interperters are better            01/01/70 00:00      
      Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
         Its sounds to me like            01/01/70 00:00      
            My thoughts too            01/01/70 00:00      
         Nothing smart            01/01/70 00:00      
            Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
               Basic is (brain) dead            01/01/70 00:00      
               I see the interest in PID controllers!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Now we know what happened to his brain!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     See here Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No, but "good" and "alive" don't apply            01/01/70 00:00      
               you are evidently smoking right now            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not at all!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
         Now your're talking!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Assembler is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
               Dead            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Here you go Andy...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     If you can\'t tolerate disagreement, SCRAM!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Some points            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Credibility            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Here you go Andy...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           ANSI and ISO            01/01/70 00:00      
                              try GOOGLing on \'C\' interpreter            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Here you go Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Perhaps it's a compiler, but how good?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Here Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          OK, so you can measure the width of the pulse...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Weird questions abound            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Well, there's one task for which BASCOM's useless            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Here Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Assembler is dead???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Well, I know a lot of hardware devices that do            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          how about an answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                              is that good or bad?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yes.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hi Jan and Steve,            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Nit picking?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Here Andy,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Just a minute, Darren ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Here Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Respect            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Degree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 what about the price pof the result?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        credibility - or not            01/01/70 00:00      
                           nope ... he's just stoned ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           correct, why the hesitation            01/01/70 00:00      
                              LOL, good to have you back Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Forum            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Hi All,            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Ouch            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Compiler Wars            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Here you go Andy...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Counter example            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Here you go Andy...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       living proof that drugs make you ... stupid, maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       why would anyone            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 with 90% of the responders being rank amateurs, wh            01/01/70 00:00      
                           ah, now we are getting somewhere            01/01/70 00:00      
                     CPU design            01/01/70 00:00      
                        it's pretty clear he means applications            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Super CPU            01/01/70 00:00      
                           non sequiter            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Jeff's super CPU            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 You lack the talent for sarcasm            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Here Jeff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Darren, you DO need a spell-checker!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       if you heard what I thought I said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 EE students are required to do that.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Oh, my            01/01/70 00:00      
                     this is getting more and more ridiculous            01/01/70 00:00      
               the oner thing that is consistent in your posts            01/01/70 00:00      
            I elaborate, Andy            01/01/70 00:00      
         what about 600.000 units            01/01/70 00:00      
   I see nothing useful            01/01/70 00:00      
   #ASM ... #ENDASM            01/01/70 00:00      
   wonder what BasCom was written in?            01/01/70 00:00      
      we need a BasCom written in BASIC!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hi Richard,            01/01/70 00:00      
            Compiler design            01/01/70 00:00      
               Thank you, Steve            01/01/70 00:00      
               interpreting            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's been around since the early '80's            01/01/70 00:00      
               Bit Banging            01/01/70 00:00      
         not a compiler but an interpreter            01/01/70 00:00      
   Delphi            01/01/70 00:00      
   Basic is Dead            01/01/70 00:00      
      Go Forth my child            01/01/70 00:00      
         Going Forth            01/01/70 00:00      
            Here Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               too much of that weed, fer shurr!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Buggy compilers            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maarten Brock would be interested in that!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        SDCC has its Darrens            01/01/70 00:00      
                     free != buggy            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What a gamble!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I don't gamble            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Darren, you MUST be stoned!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Here Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                     usually is a big word            01/01/70 00:00      
               No            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks for the support, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's True            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Hey Ian, here you go            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Darren, you've got to learn to read and write.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Duh!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Interpreters, Hey Ian and Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 LOL            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Cool!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  let's not go overboard, Ian            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Crap            01/01/70 00:00      
         so, now we know            01/01/70 00:00      
   Hammer is dead            01/01/70 00:00      
      Would'nt he look better with a screwdriver?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Or, have a look at this one            01/01/70 00:00      
            Will this invention lead to a come back of hammer?            01/01/70 00:00      
      GOOD POINT!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dead??            01/01/70 00:00      
   Interesting Google results            01/01/70 00:00      
      HHHmmmm unemployed which is not surprising            01/01/70 00:00      
         lets not go totally \"ad-hominem\"            01/01/70 00:00      
            logical fallacies            01/01/70 00:00      
               maybe he's not a complete idiot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  a danish proverb translated            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The meaning of the proverb...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I think the proverb also is about that, neverthele            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hey Jeff            01/01/70 00:00      
         The problem with dopeheads            01/01/70 00:00      
            Here Russel            01/01/70 00:00      
               Darren, you still need a spell-checker!            01/01/70 00:00      
   rotating at 100.000 RPM in the grave            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hi Erik            01/01/70 00:00      

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