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05/02/07 22:10
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#138514 - Further Analysis....
Responding to: ???'s previous message
You have also not taken care of the important case that the ON switch should be in the direct force path to make power be ON. That means that the ON control state should come from the same side of the latch that the switch feeds. If you need the opposite logic level for ON then feed the forced side of the latch with another gate from the package as an inverter. This is important becasue if the MCU crashes or goes to sleep in the OFF control active state it is not possible to power the system back on.

Also as Erik has pointed out you have lost the bias toward forcing the latch into the OFF state when installing a battery. While this is not a really necessary feature it is kind of nice for the little system to come up in OFF when a battery is first installed. (This behavior also allows a momentary battery interruption to be a way to turn the gadget off when software is not yet in place to do the OFF control logic.

- Michael Karas


List of 53 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Momentary toggle soft switch with flip-flop?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I don't like it.            01/01/70 00:00      
      How Bouncy            01/01/70 00:00      
         what good does 'minimum' do you            01/01/70 00:00      
   Schmidt trigger            01/01/70 00:00      
      Tricky...            01/01/70 00:00      
         rail to rail bounce            01/01/70 00:00      
      McKinney            01/01/70 00:00      
   4013 FF toggle circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
      Values?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Values of R1,R2 &R3? Look at PCB!            01/01/70 00:00      
            clocking a FF from an RC?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Follow the datsheet, that is design            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Why dismissing the flip-flop?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     dismissing the flip-flop?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The CD4013 of Bruce's schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                           The CD4013 of Bruce's schematic is shown as a f/f            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I answered to Bruce...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The circuit shown,,,,            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Power Consumption            01/01/70 00:00      
   Overlooking the obvious?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Simpler?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Keymat            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why not a hard switch?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Requirements            01/01/70 00:00      
      Industrial designers is why            01/01/70 00:00      
         Fair enough!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Let The Microconroller Decide            01/01/70 00:00      
      dedicated microcontroller :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
      Interresting no flip-flop            01/01/70 00:00      
   dat is de bounce            01/01/70 00:00      
   The 4013 needs steep edges            01/01/70 00:00      
      caps            01/01/70 00:00      
      A Vauge Suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
   additional parts            01/01/70 00:00      
      what pin of which chip in what package?            01/01/70 00:00      
         chip on drawing in generic post            01/01/70 00:00      
            slowig down the bugger is not going to make it clo            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about this?            01/01/70 00:00      
      what is 'SOFTSW"?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Seems OK Except...            01/01/70 00:00      
         nice to find a fellow "drawer of fuctions"            01/01/70 00:00      
            I find it eaasier to just...            01/01/70 00:00      
               We appreciate it            01/01/70 00:00      
      Further Analysis....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Would this work?            01/01/70 00:00      
      All comments noted            01/01/70 00:00      
   Round 3 - Hopefully better            01/01/70 00:00      
      Round 4 is the winner            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tomas?? Bruce?? Are you a schizo?            01/01/70 00:00      
            haha, yes            01/01/70 00:00      
         A bit confusing...            01/01/70 00:00      

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