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04/27/07 17:15
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#138133 - The 4013 needs steep edges
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Hi Bruce,

the "4013" needs steep edges at its clock input, otherwise the outputs can be become undefined! So, I would recommend the following circuitry:



Using an additional "40106" also allows you to spend the SET input of "4013" a proper level shifter. Just fabricate by the help of NPN a suited /FORCEON signal. As long as the micro gets no power, the NPN will be turned-off and by this the SET input of "4013" will be low. To force an "on" the micro must turn-on the NPN.

The circuit works as follows:
When pushing the switch, the 220nF cap is quickly discharged and the output of left "40106" goes high. When releasing the switch afterwards, the cap becomes charged again, but at a much lower speed. So, this part of circuit provides a reliable debouncing and guarantees steep edges at the CLK input.

A full analysis of this debouncing scheme can be found here.



Some hints:

- The parts at RES input of "4013" provides a power-on reset, which might be useful after changing the battery. Omit it if you don't need it.

- The 10k resistor limits the current through your silicon rubber switch.

- The two 1k5 resistors limit the input currents, if Vbat is accidentally shorted (during battery change or removal).

- The "40106" and "4013" are powered by Vbat, of course.



Some hints on the output cap of LP2992. Use a 10µF/6.3V Y5V cap like the one here.

As you can see from the impedance plot





this cap fullfills the ESR requirements of your regulator! "Better" ceramics are worse here!!!

Isolate the succeeding decoupling caps (at the micro, for instance) by the help of 1R resistors, so that the low ESR of these decoupling caps will not violate the ESR requirements of LP2992 again through the back-door.

Kai

List of 53 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Momentary toggle soft switch with flip-flop?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I don't like it.            01/01/70 00:00      
      How Bouncy            01/01/70 00:00      
         what good does 'minimum' do you            01/01/70 00:00      
   Schmidt trigger            01/01/70 00:00      
      Tricky...            01/01/70 00:00      
         rail to rail bounce            01/01/70 00:00      
      McKinney            01/01/70 00:00      
   4013 FF toggle circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
      Values?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Values of R1,R2 &R3? Look at PCB!            01/01/70 00:00      
            clocking a FF from an RC?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Follow the datsheet, that is design            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Why dismissing the flip-flop?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     dismissing the flip-flop?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The CD4013 of Bruce's schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                           The CD4013 of Bruce's schematic is shown as a f/f            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I answered to Bruce...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The circuit shown,,,,            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Power Consumption            01/01/70 00:00      
   Overlooking the obvious?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Simpler?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Keymat            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why not a hard switch?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Requirements            01/01/70 00:00      
      Industrial designers is why            01/01/70 00:00      
         Fair enough!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Let The Microconroller Decide            01/01/70 00:00      
      dedicated microcontroller :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
      Interresting no flip-flop            01/01/70 00:00      
   dat is de bounce            01/01/70 00:00      
   The 4013 needs steep edges            01/01/70 00:00      
      caps            01/01/70 00:00      
      A Vauge Suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
   additional parts            01/01/70 00:00      
      what pin of which chip in what package?            01/01/70 00:00      
         chip on drawing in generic post            01/01/70 00:00      
            slowig down the bugger is not going to make it clo            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about this?            01/01/70 00:00      
      what is 'SOFTSW"?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Seems OK Except...            01/01/70 00:00      
         nice to find a fellow "drawer of fuctions"            01/01/70 00:00      
            I find it eaasier to just...            01/01/70 00:00      
               We appreciate it            01/01/70 00:00      
      Further Analysis....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Would this work?            01/01/70 00:00      
      All comments noted            01/01/70 00:00      
   Round 3 - Hopefully better            01/01/70 00:00      
      Round 4 is the winner            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tomas?? Bruce?? Are you a schizo?            01/01/70 00:00      
            haha, yes            01/01/70 00:00      
         A bit confusing...            01/01/70 00:00      

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