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#107367 - Answers III
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Farshid said:
Since you have a lot of experience using Scopes did you used this feature so far ?

Yes, very often. In the old days of analog scope I turned-off all the lights, sat directly in front of the scope with my nose nearly hitting the screen and looked at the screen like the mouse looks at the snake. There were lots of situations where I had to use all these subtil features the scope offered...

Farshid said:
I have a question in my mind, Consider we want to fed a signal from our MCU to an analog cihp like 4052. Here Current will flow from Digital VDD to the Analog Ground. Is this alright or we have to use a buffer here ?

No buffer, but a low pass filter. Use separate ground planes for analog circuitry and microcontroller stuff. The 4052 is a typical example for a circuit, where both worlds meet again. Here, feed the signal from microcontroller to 4052 over the barrier (gap between the ground planes) via a low pass filter: Locate a low pass formed by 4k7 resistor and 100pF cap directly at the barrier, but on digital side. Now, feed the filtered signal via 4k7 resistor across the barrier, where this resistor traverses the gap like a bridge does over a river. Directly at gap, but on analog side connect an additional 100pF cap from signal to ground. So, this arrangement looks like RCRC. As the rise time of this signal is drastically lowered, sometimes a Schmitt trigger might be needed to restore the edges of signal again. But here, with the 4052, this is not needed.
The advantage of this arrangement is, that no relevant digital currents are flowing along the analog section and by this contaminating the anlog ground!

Farshid said:
Is the offset circuit alrigt ?

The range of adjustment is much much too high. The sense of this offset shifting is to match the signal to input voltage range of ADC. For this, only about -0.177V must be produced by LM741. Also, take care that C20 doesn't become reverse polarized! A diode connected in parallel to C20 can help.
Additionally, insert a resistor of 220R between the output of LM741 and the caps.

Farshid said:
I placed those Caps between the Inverting input to the ground. Did i do what you meant ?

Yes. By the way, C11 should be 100nF.

Farshid said:
I'll try to find the best ones , and as Bitscope author says I'll try to measure the Ids with Vgs=-0.6 to find a matched pair.

I guess, at Vgs = -0.6V Ids will be about 5mA for the BF245B. Take care, FETs show drastical manufacturing tolerances, much much higher than bipolar transistors. So, you will need a handful of them to get a properly matched pair.

In the Pre-Gain Division Stage there are still some errors!

Kai

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20Mhz Analog Input of a DSO            01/01/70 00:00      
   Link            01/01/70 00:00      
      why go for 20MHz            01/01/70 00:00      
         No 4 layer PCB & faster ADC available            01/01/70 00:00      
      Initial look ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Trigger Circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try of explaination            01/01/70 00:00      
               Badly drawn            01/01/70 00:00      
               Trigger and Amp            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Take care...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Speed            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Like This ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Just wait...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              so what do they do there ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Direct Digital synthesis            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I just can think about one benefit            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Searching...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Misinterpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Proper Op-Amp            01/01/70 00:00      
                              AD844 has 50 Ohm input resistance on -            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 inverting input resistance            01/01/70 00:00      
                              specifications            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sampling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Of course            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Preamp Initial Schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    please resubmit the schematic in a forma            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Real size button            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not quite good enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Higher Resolution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Resize            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I do not care if it fits, I can move it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             readable with gthumb            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             They are1N4148s            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Problem is at your end            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                do you refer to the first submit            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Web Browser            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Both            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Some changes needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       have to sleep a little ,will post later            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I would try this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not an analog eagle            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Why not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                not objecting, just wondering            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Updated Schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             FETs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I remember going to the races on Thursda            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Yes, Nowadays they're held at friday            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                JFET Input good            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Deviations            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Answers II            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Corrected mistakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      RE : Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      new questions about PCB/Supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Answers IV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            RE : Answers IV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          How do adjust the cap trimmers?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks for everything            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Found these            01/01/70 00:00      
            inductance            01/01/70 00:00      
               Relays            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Reed-relay            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Reed Relays            01/01/70 00:00      
         Plays no significant role            01/01/70 00:00      
            but they are sensitive            01/01/70 00:00      
               Analog Mux            01/01/70 00:00      
                  today Philips announced this MUX            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Strac capacitance make the worse            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sorry, stray not strac            01/01/70 00:00      
   a better aproach maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
      PLD question            01/01/70 00:00      
         Re PLD questions            01/01/70 00:00      
            link            01/01/70 00:00      
            Go for CPLD or not !            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not in that timescale            01/01/70 00:00      
                  so about 10K gates are needed ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     part numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Wow pretty expensive !            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'll have to wait till tommorow            01/01/70 00:00      
   is this helpful?            01/01/70 00:00      
      good link            01/01/70 00:00      
   Heres a start            01/01/70 00:00      
   'must read'            01/01/70 00:00      
      What a great reference !            01/01/70 00:00      

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