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01/13/06 13:53
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#107279 - Answers II
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Farshid said:
About the Offset Shifting, My 20 MHz standalone Scope have a ground adjust dial. Sometimes i fed a 12VDC to my scope with V/Div placed at the 10mV section .Then I lower the signal till it gets visible on the screen. This gives me a nice way to see how much noise exists in this signal. I like to have this feature in This DSO , I know i could do this by using the AC Input but I think maybe this feature could be useful somewhere, but I can't think of anything right now ! :)
This should be hard to implement I think ?

To implement this is very easy. You just have to add a big offset. On the other hand, then your signal will clip somewhere in your circuit. So, you need a circuit, which can easily be overdriven without corrupting the signal in the seen window. This means some intensive designing and testing, but is possible.


Farshid said:
I have connected Both the input and output unused pins of the 4052 to the Analog ground , is it alright ?

Yes, grounding is always good in HF circuits...


Farshid said:
By removing the 'additional cap between inverting input and signal ground' then we have lower bandwidth .I would like to have the possibility to increase the bandwidth , So could i do this later by soldering a simple Cap ?

Take care, this is not a standard procedure to increase bandwidth with HF OPamps, but will very probably result in wild oscillations and heavy instability! Connecting caps in the feedback loop is a big no no, when working with HF OPamp. Datasheet of AD844 only recommends this for high gains, at about 100 or so. Then this cap can help a bit. But if you connect it at gains lower than 100, then instability will occur.
There's no need for this capacitor at gains like 2 and 10. By the way, if you have a look at figure 11, 16 and 21, then you will notice, that there's already a peak in the gain versus frequency plot. This is an indication that the additional cap would result in a disaster. So, please omit it!


Farshid said:
Offset section is incomplete also , please verify if the resistor/capacitor values are correct.

Anyhow you produce the offset voltage there, you should have caps connected to ground as it's shown at the bitscope's schematic.
Maybe it's not a good idea to use this transistor arangement for AD844, although it makes sense with the MAX477. AD844 and MAX477 need not to have the same temperature dependency of offset voltage. So, just connect the output of a LM741 (or similar) to superimpose the offset. But, again, don't forget the caps to ground.


Farshid said:
FET buffer is incomplete ,cause I don't know how to build a FET amplifier. What N-channel FET i have to look for ?

BF245B seems to fit well. Do select them in pairs, though, as mentioned at bitscope's schematic.


Farshid said:
Are the Resistors' value In feedback of the Op-Amps correct ?

Use two 300R resistors for the gain +2 section. Use a 470R resistor and a 25R plus 27R resistor (=52Ohm) for the gain +10 section.

Kai

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20Mhz Analog Input of a DSO            01/01/70 00:00      
   Link            01/01/70 00:00      
      why go for 20MHz            01/01/70 00:00      
         No 4 layer PCB & faster ADC available            01/01/70 00:00      
      Initial look ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Trigger Circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try of explaination            01/01/70 00:00      
               Badly drawn            01/01/70 00:00      
               Trigger and Amp            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Take care...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Speed            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Like This ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Just wait...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              so what do they do there ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Direct Digital synthesis            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I just can think about one benefit            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Searching...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Misinterpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Proper Op-Amp            01/01/70 00:00      
                              AD844 has 50 Ohm input resistance on -            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 inverting input resistance            01/01/70 00:00      
                              specifications            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sampling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Of course            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Preamp Initial Schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    please resubmit the schematic in a forma            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Real size button            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not quite good enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Higher Resolution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Resize            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I do not care if it fits, I can move it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             readable with gthumb            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             They are1N4148s            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Problem is at your end            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                do you refer to the first submit            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Web Browser            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Both            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Some changes needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       have to sleep a little ,will post later            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I would try this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not an analog eagle            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Why not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                not objecting, just wondering            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Updated Schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             FETs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I remember going to the races on Thursda            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Yes, Nowadays they're held at friday            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                JFET Input good            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Deviations            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Answers II            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Corrected mistakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      RE : Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      new questions about PCB/Supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Answers IV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            RE : Answers IV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          How do adjust the cap trimmers?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks for everything            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Found these            01/01/70 00:00      
            inductance            01/01/70 00:00      
               Relays            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Reed-relay            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Reed Relays            01/01/70 00:00      
         Plays no significant role            01/01/70 00:00      
            but they are sensitive            01/01/70 00:00      
               Analog Mux            01/01/70 00:00      
                  today Philips announced this MUX            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Strac capacitance make the worse            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sorry, stray not strac            01/01/70 00:00      
   a better aproach maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
      PLD question            01/01/70 00:00      
         Re PLD questions            01/01/70 00:00      
            link            01/01/70 00:00      
            Go for CPLD or not !            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not in that timescale            01/01/70 00:00      
                  so about 10K gates are needed ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     part numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Wow pretty expensive !            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'll have to wait till tommorow            01/01/70 00:00      
   is this helpful?            01/01/70 00:00      
      good link            01/01/70 00:00      
   Heres a start            01/01/70 00:00      
   'must read'            01/01/70 00:00      
      What a great reference !            01/01/70 00:00      

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