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01/09/06 23:49
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#106940 - Proper Op-Amp
Responding to: ???'s previous message
A big misinterpretation of sub-sampling technique is, that by sub-sampling a higher bandwidth can be achieved. This is wrong!

Bitscope designer says clearly here that sub-sampling is usefull when you have invariant periodic waveforms and if you are about to see frequency contents higher than half the sample rate you'll have to go for a faster ADC.

From Shannon-Nyquist theorem this means that a maximum signal frequency of 20MHz can be handled. So, the analog part of the circuit must at least have a bandwidth of 20MHz

But could we reproduce a sine-wave 10 MHz with only 2 samples (taken by the 20MSPs ADC) ,Of course not and Bitscope designer says we have to at least take 8 samples to reproduce the captured signal on the screen.

Again, this does not at all mean, that the bandwidth is increased in any way!

Yes , This is some sort of interpolation which e.g. is used in Digital cameras to produce a higher resolution than their exact CCD resolution.

Today i just found some more Op-Amps and specially this goody goody :
AD9632 :
BW : 320 MHz(small signal),175 MHz(Large Signal)
SR : 1100 V/us
Input res. : 500K

and let me correct a mistake on AD829 :
BW : 600 Mhz
SR : 220 v/us
Input res. : 13K

I'll need a 2V swing (0.6 to 2.6V) at the ADC input.So provided by an x10 gain I would be able to measure down to 200mV peak-peak which i think would be enough.
A bandwidth of 20MHz means a dampening of 3dB at 20MHz. If you would use OPamps with 20MHz bandwidth, then using four such OPams in series would result in a dampening of 4 x 3dB = 12dB.

That's too bad , I don't like it :( . I thought that if i feed a signal throught a series of high BW Op-Amps i wouldn't lose much. Dear Kai where could i read on this '3 db dampening' (Hopefully on the net) ? I can't find anything releated in the datasheets.
After all How about one AD844 as a -1 gain buffer followed by an AD844 with at -10 Gain (where it delivers 33 Mhz according to the datasheet)? This is what currently i can think of, Not considering the '3 db dampening' problem.

Thanks alot for your great and detailed replies

Farshid


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20Mhz Analog Input of a DSO            01/01/70 00:00      
   Link            01/01/70 00:00      
      why go for 20MHz            01/01/70 00:00      
         No 4 layer PCB & faster ADC available            01/01/70 00:00      
      Initial look ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Trigger Circuit            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try of explaination            01/01/70 00:00      
               Badly drawn            01/01/70 00:00      
               Trigger and Amp            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Take care...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Speed            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Like This ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Just wait...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              so what do they do there ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Direct Digital synthesis            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I just can think about one benefit            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Searching...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Misinterpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Proper Op-Amp            01/01/70 00:00      
                              AD844 has 50 Ohm input resistance on -            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 inverting input resistance            01/01/70 00:00      
                              specifications            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sampling            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Of course            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes but            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Preamp Initial Schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    please resubmit the schematic in a forma            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Real size button            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not quite good enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Higher Resolution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Resize            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I do not care if it fits, I can move it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             readable with gthumb            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             They are1N4148s            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Problem is at your end            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                do you refer to the first submit            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Web Browser            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Both            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Some changes needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       have to sleep a little ,will post later            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I would try this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          not an analog eagle            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Why not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                not objecting, just wondering            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Updated Schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             FETs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I remember going to the races on Thursda            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Yes, Nowadays they're held at friday            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                JFET Input good            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Deviations            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Answers II            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Corrected mistakes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      RE : Answers III            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      new questions about PCB/Supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Answers IV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            RE : Answers IV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          How do adjust the cap trimmers?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Thanks for everything            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Found these            01/01/70 00:00      
            inductance            01/01/70 00:00      
               Relays            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Reed-relay            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Reed Relays            01/01/70 00:00      
         Plays no significant role            01/01/70 00:00      
            but they are sensitive            01/01/70 00:00      
               Analog Mux            01/01/70 00:00      
                  today Philips announced this MUX            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Strac capacitance make the worse            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sorry, stray not strac            01/01/70 00:00      
   a better aproach maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
      PLD question            01/01/70 00:00      
         Re PLD questions            01/01/70 00:00      
            link            01/01/70 00:00      
            Go for CPLD or not !            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not in that timescale            01/01/70 00:00      
                  so about 10K gates are needed ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     part numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Wow pretty expensive !            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'll have to wait till tommorow            01/01/70 00:00      
   is this helpful?            01/01/70 00:00      
      good link            01/01/70 00:00      
   Heres a start            01/01/70 00:00      
   'must read'            01/01/70 00:00      
      What a great reference !            01/01/70 00:00      

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