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10/28/09 15:08
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#170133 - Not a bad idea ... but ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Per Westermark said:
As I suggested in a previous post.

On the reverse side have room for 100 SMD. One pad to every signal line and the other pad to GND. You keep track of which signals that should have a bypass to GND, and add the capacitors.

Short-circuit the two pads to connect a GND signal to the ground plane.

I'm not sure if there would have been space enough for it, but it might have been possible to have a three-pad design, allowing you to optionally add a component from signal to VCC instead.


If one were trying to create a board that I would use, it would most likely have to have 25-mil square pins on 100-mil centers. If that were the case, it would not be physical problem to provide pads for, say, a capacitor in 0603 package at each pin, one to GND and one to Vcc. I don't see any need for such pads on every signal, but ... if one needed a pullup ... well, there's an opportunity ... and if one needed a rate-limiting cap ... Well, you see what I mean. The problem is board space.

No adapter I've seen so far, has used the space under the IC, which makes the most sense to me. There's only going to be one IC on such an adapter, and, on the underside ... well, what better place for the bypass members? One problem that jumps right out at me, though, is that there are then about 10 cm of trace length between the bypass members and the IC pin, unless one drills holes to shorten the tracks. A solid Vcc and GND plane, as you mentioned, Per, would mitigate this problem.

A single-pitch adapter, as might be suitable for the SiLabs 'f120/130 parts might be worth a try, and, if one were going to be that application-specific, perhaps a place for the oscillator and JTAG features wouldn't be a bad thing either.

Now, for my purposes, the goal would be to make the IC wire-wrap-board compatible. By that I mean a board with the matrix shown (I think) on my "personal web page" on 8052.COM, from which I've had to remove a considerable amount of information, as the amount of available space was reduced by about 75%. I don't know what objectives other potential users of such an adapter would have.

Perhaps you could shed some more light on your view?

RE



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Developing with TQFP            01/01/70 00:00      
   Prototyping            01/01/70 00:00      
      SMD Prototyping boards            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
   FYI: Prototyping            01/01/70 00:00      
   warning            01/01/70 00:00      
   Prototyping Ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
      Adaptors for stripboard            01/01/70 00:00      
         What do you suppose he means by that?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sorry - I explain...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Better approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                  lash up a simple PCB in the lab            01/01/70 00:00      
                     ...or he could wire-wrap it in an hour or two.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Why so much hate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It's not the generation!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Still more hate (or fear) even if you don't realize it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Where you sit determines what you see            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Still extrapolating            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Horsefeathers!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          No need for insinuation.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Enforcement isn't my job.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          different != bad            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             in my eyes too            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                re: in my eyes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You'll see what you want to see, I guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Trolls            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Was Steve talking about an external PCB house?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Maybe Richard too            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No in-house staff of druggies here            01/01/70 00:00      
                           YEp            01/01/70 00:00      
               I thought these were well-known & widely used terms.            01/01/70 00:00      
   To Joel, somewhat related            01/01/70 00:00      
   schmartboard            01/01/70 00:00      
      Am I missing something here?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Schmartboad...            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes...easy to solder            01/01/70 00:00      
               No soldering?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No, not at all...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Have you used it yourself?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Packages            01/01/70 00:00      
                           oops!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Most adapters present problems, too.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              bypassing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 could possibly be improved            01/01/70 00:00      
                        No, I haven't...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     seems fun            01/01/70 00:00      
                     shmata board            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Must target schools and entry to medium-level hobbyists            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I've used similar products, and they do serve a purpose.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Always hard to aim for the correct customer group            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 How?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Lots of SMD pads on the other side            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Not a bad idea ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          My view            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             ... not the adapter, but the wire-wrap board ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RH            01/01/70 00:00      
                           80%?            01/01/70 00:00      

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