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06/18/09 21:34
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 		 #166230 - Irrelevant
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard said:
How many of the new PIC's does KEIL support? What about the later M68HCxxx's? What about the Z80 scions? I could go on ...

Totally irrelevant.

If I switch to a new architecture, then it doesn't matter the slightest who manufactured the compiler for this architecture. C is C and language extensions needed for a specific architecture are only relevant for that architecture anyway.

Knowledge about a compilers abilities to generate good/bad code will only be valid for a specific architecture, so when I switch architecture, I could just as well switch compiler vendor at the same time.

Most compiler vendors has command-line compilers, so if I don't like the manufacturers IDE, I could use a generic IDE.

The main reason for getting multiple compilers from the same vendor would have been if they had an offer that you get the following licenses at a reduced price, or if the support fee for one of the compilers was also valid for the compilers for the other architectures too.

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What's wrong with gimme code?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Mainly            01/01/70 00:00      
      I agree with Jez Smith            01/01/70 00:00      
         Non academic gimme code?            01/01/70 00:00      
            This makes me very suspicious            01/01/70 00:00      
            gimme code=my own time is too valuable            01/01/70 00:00      
               Easy to see which is school assignment            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The wise student needs pointers, not complete solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
            "Here's what I've come up with ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               But what's wrong in asking for an example implementaton?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The teacher recognises the good student            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Now there's a laugh if ever there was one ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  nothing IF ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            children should do their own homework            01/01/70 00:00      
   What's wrong with gimmee code.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Sounds Like; Whats wrong with Spoon Feeding..?            01/01/70 00:00      
      perhaps it enables ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Generic solutions applicable to more people            01/01/70 00:00      
         Then they'll become expert at potty ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   it makes you dumb!            01/01/70 00:00      
   How'd you like ten of those guys working for you?            01/01/70 00:00      
      But that's the point!            01/01/70 00:00      
         We agree in principle, Kai ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Hiring & firing is expensive!            01/01/70 00:00      
            and that's not all!            01/01/70 00:00      
   As an example            01/01/70 00:00      
      No-one is suggesting breach of copyright            01/01/70 00:00      
         arrogance?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Examples of Erik's arrogance            01/01/70 00:00      
               no, I do not state any such,            01/01/70 00:00      
                   A couple of corrections            01/01/70 00:00      
                     more useful product?            01/01/70 00:00      
         life is not B&W            01/01/70 00:00      
            Good help _is_ to a big part to give hints            01/01/70 00:00      
               Votes and freedom of speech?            01/01/70 00:00      
               When I was a youngster ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Returning to the original subject.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     same same but sometimes different            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Since you like AVRFREAKS so much ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Versatility and diversification            01/01/70 00:00      
                     This is 8052.COM            01/01/70 00:00      
                  and.....            01/01/70 00:00      
         There's always help for those who can do their own work.            01/01/70 00:00      
            There's the key!            01/01/70 00:00      
         that is not the issue            01/01/70 00:00      
            I'm with you 100% on that, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
               calm down Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                  support for more MCU's makes it more widely useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Which MCU's will KEIL support?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Keil's blind spot            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Keil will probably get squeezed            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If only that were the case            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Portable 'C' [edited]            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Write what you mean or mean what you write            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    OK ... Here's the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       If bugs is a big problem - consider your compiler choices            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 C is not that difficult            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I can't totally disagree ... it's a matter of degree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Richard misses the point completely            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The thing is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I don't think thats true at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Not what I meant            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Andy's right!            01/01/70 00:00      
         elders and betters would have given a helpful reply.            01/01/70 00:00      
   If you think 8052.com is bad ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   When was it the last time someone asked for code?            01/01/70 00:00      
      oohhh            01/01/70 00:00      
      Here?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Latest example of "Gimme Code"            01/01/70 00:00      
   What the forums are all about            01/01/70 00:00      
      Progress            01/01/70 00:00      
         No, don't agree with "exhausted all the possibilities"            01/01/70 00:00      
            patience            01/01/70 00:00      
         inexperienced            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well actually...            01/01/70 00:00      
               you must have a very smart wife            01/01/70 00:00      
                  If you're a friend ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
      arrogant?            01/01/70 00:00      
         encouragement            01/01/70 00:00      
            absolutely            01/01/70 00:00      
            What you have to remember            01/01/70 00:00      
               Tim Berners-Lee            01/01/70 00:00      
                  he only invented the web thingy            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Exhausted all the possibilities...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        this is just not fair            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It's about attitude            01/01/70 00:00      
                              on intentions etc.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              98% of 100            01/01/70 00:00      
                           good and bad            01/01/70 00:00      
      OK Charles (et al), here's your chance!            01/01/70 00:00      
         re: OK Charles here's your chance            01/01/70 00:00      
            QED.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yet one more exhausted visitor            01/01/70 00:00      

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