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08/06/10 14:22
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 		 #177779 - that's no difference
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Oliver Sedlacek said:
With proper revision control you should follow the maxim of 'commit often', and I certainly commit for every bug fix or feature implemented.

You can do the very same with zip/copy.

Oliver Sedlacek said:
That can be several times per day.

Certainly so with zip/copy.

Oliver Sedlacek said:
With appropriate log messages you get a fantastic trace and you can roll back to any point. You also tag important revisions like releases, betas etc.

A simple textfile does the same. You can also rename the zipfile.

Oliver Sedlacek said:
The diff utility is brilliant, and can also do M$ Word files.

There are bucketful of diff utilities, independent of version control.

Oliver Sedlacek said:
By storing all versions in an optimum format you save disk space compared with zipped copies.
Who cares nowadays?

Oliver Sedlacek said:
I also use command line utilities to embed a revision into my source so I can check what source versions went into a build automatically.
What would prevent you to do the same with zip/copy?

Oliver Sedlacek said:
Subversion is free to use, and saves time and stress. It makes manual processes seem incredibly slow, error prone and inefficient.
Who said "manual processes"?

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Oliver Sedlacek said:
I've had to organise and enhance the verification files for a product to the satisfaction of a certification body (no cheating allowed). My starting point was a bunch of paper files that are the released versions with real, old school signiatures. The working files are obviously electronic files and dumped in the design history folder. The problem was finding which files corresponded to the released versions and who had done what to them (and why). There were about 6000 files in the folder, going back over 10 years.

This is no argument for or against anything. If the requirement for version control would come up at the beginning of the development, surely it would be implemented.

Any requirement imposed ex post means trouble. I've come across a lot of ridiculous requirements for various certifications. Just an example, once I was told I should rewrite my sources from asm to C as the employees of the certification agency don't understand asm. It was after 10+ years of development and successful deployment etc. of the product in asm.

Jan


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TopicAuthorDate
time and money            01/01/70 00:00      
   My take.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not obvious that an ICE is faster to use than print            01/01/70 00:00      
         I recall a comment            01/01/70 00:00      
            Good to look at available hw early on in project            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'd love to dump the values from the ADC channels ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Always a question of making most use of what you got            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Where there's a will ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     ... there's a way.            01/01/70 00:00      
   investing in good tools            01/01/70 00:00      
      Cost benefit insanity            01/01/70 00:00      
         "We will save money ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         costs, one-time and repeated            01/01/70 00:00      
            VMware may be an alternative            01/01/70 00:00      
            subversion server            01/01/70 00:00      
               time is money            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A price estimate            01/01/70 00:00      
                     svn cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I most often _am_ the IT support            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Then that's the major difference            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Don't you think I try to avoid it too?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re: svn cost estimate            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Cost for single user            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: I'd hope to do it in less than one hour.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 True, back to time and money though            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Investment            01/01/70 00:00      
                  revision control when money is scarce and volume is small            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Far too infrequent!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Directory copies not really fun for version control            01/01/70 00:00      
                        no, I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           VCS on your own            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ditto that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Further...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     So inadequate            01/01/70 00:00      
                        that's no difference            01/01/70 00:00      
                  svn benefits            01/01/70 00:00      
                     why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Working files, released files, change logs            01/01/70 00:00      
                           a comment on 'revision control' and such            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If a new version does not work find out why            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 the basic premise of my post was ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Thats a good point, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Let a pro have good tools - don't worry about fools            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Revert safety net            01/01/70 00:00      
         Budget Insanity            01/01/70 00:00      
            Dilbert            01/01/70 00:00      
   Right Tools            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, I'm with you there ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Design            01/01/70 00:00      
   For "professionals" this is good advice, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
      This is exactly what I've been harping on ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not "forcing"            01/01/70 00:00      
      You missed Erik's point            01/01/70 00:00      
      you are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
         professional/critical            01/01/70 00:00      
   Seasoned Professional versus green            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is it either Or?            01/01/70 00:00      
   an addendum            01/01/70 00:00      
   Too simplistic!            01/01/70 00:00      

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