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08/04/10 15:20
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 		 #177652 - you are wrong
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik, I know that you get tired of reading posts from people that are "wasting" all kinds of time on things that they could purchase for a reasonable price and same money in the long run.

You are wrong, I am, definitely, not 'tired' of reading such posts. I know that an amateur, has a totally different attitude towards money vs time. I am an amateur woodworker and do not go out and buy a $2k dovetail machine, but I DO buy the $50 jig instead of screwing up every joint I make.

My recommendations to 'amateurs' re "purchase for a reasonable price" has all been directed towards things where an 'amateur' goes wrong. An example is the Atmel 'programming cable' ($25) where the post "I have made my own and it does not work" is a recurring feature.

When I recommend to all to start with a SIlabs devboard (<$100) instead of starting out making something with flying leads not knowing if it is software, hardware, the 'programmer' or something else that makes it not work. Getting your feet wet not knowing which pool the water is in is not an easy task.

Likewise, spending a lot of effort using a 'found' (possibly defective) outdated chip, when a new one can be had for $2 makes no sense to me.

One related issue is that some 'amateurs' will insist on using the wrong approach, simply because they have some component in a drawer. I will NOT give advice on how to proceed with the wrong approach, and if suggesting doing it right is wrong, I am happy to be wrong.

One final point: If someone does not mention "I am an amateur" I respond as to a professional.

Erik

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time and money            01/01/70 00:00      
   My take.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not obvious that an ICE is faster to use than print            01/01/70 00:00      
         I recall a comment            01/01/70 00:00      
            Good to look at available hw early on in project            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'd love to dump the values from the ADC channels ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Always a question of making most use of what you got            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Where there's a will ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     ... there's a way.            01/01/70 00:00      
   investing in good tools            01/01/70 00:00      
      Cost benefit insanity            01/01/70 00:00      
         "We will save money ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         costs, one-time and repeated            01/01/70 00:00      
            VMware may be an alternative            01/01/70 00:00      
            subversion server            01/01/70 00:00      
               time is money            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A price estimate            01/01/70 00:00      
                     svn cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I most often _am_ the IT support            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Then that's the major difference            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Don't you think I try to avoid it too?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re: svn cost estimate            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Cost for single user            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: I'd hope to do it in less than one hour.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 True, back to time and money though            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Investment            01/01/70 00:00      
                  revision control when money is scarce and volume is small            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Far too infrequent!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Directory copies not really fun for version control            01/01/70 00:00      
                        no, I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           VCS on your own            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ditto that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Further...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     So inadequate            01/01/70 00:00      
                        that's no difference            01/01/70 00:00      
                  svn benefits            01/01/70 00:00      
                     why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Working files, released files, change logs            01/01/70 00:00      
                           a comment on 'revision control' and such            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If a new version does not work find out why            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 the basic premise of my post was ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Thats a good point, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Let a pro have good tools - don't worry about fools            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Revert safety net            01/01/70 00:00      
         Budget Insanity            01/01/70 00:00      
            Dilbert            01/01/70 00:00      
   Right Tools            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, I'm with you there ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Design            01/01/70 00:00      
   For "professionals" this is good advice, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
      This is exactly what I've been harping on ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not "forcing"            01/01/70 00:00      
      You missed Erik's point            01/01/70 00:00      
      you are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
         professional/critical            01/01/70 00:00      
   Seasoned Professional versus green            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is it either Or?            01/01/70 00:00      
   an addendum            01/01/70 00:00      
   Too simplistic!            01/01/70 00:00      

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