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06/15/10 09:11
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#176687 - You'll see a lot if slow-stepping changes
Responding to: ???'s previous message
It doesn't matter what colors you select. Our eyes will see a 1/32 intensity change for one color channel with the other two color channels kept fixed when you look at the display during the color change (100%, 100%, 100%) -> (97%, 100%, 100%) or (97%, 100%, 100%) -> (100%, 97%, 100%). Depending on the values of the other two color channels, most people will not be able to memorize the color in absolute terms so if they look away during the color change they will most probably not notice the color change.

The next thing is that our eyes are exponential, so even if being able to step 1/1000 (10-bit/channel) it is very visible if changing from 1/1000 to 2/1000 or from 10/1000 to 11/1000 - but we can't see 999/1000 -> 1000/1000. This of course assuming that the surrounding light isn't too high - the eyes spans a huge intensity range but the full range is not available at the same time.

It's also important to separate the visibility of a single intensity step from the visibility of the individual steps when doing a multi-step walk from one color to another. If stepping through the color ramp fast enough, we will see a smooth gradient even if the gradient steps are large enough to clearly see if stepped slowly. When viewing a color toning on the cinema, the frame rate is very low so there is significant color changes from frame to frame. But our brains sees it as a continuous change. Even two intermediate colors is enough to fool our brain into thinking it was a continuous transition.

So 5 bits/channel works well for info signs and illumination, but you need more colors (true colors, or temporal or spatial averaging) for full-color photos.

In this case, 5 bits/channel would be a huge improvement of Chicos design since the goal isn't to display photos - at least what we know right now ;)

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IRF640 noob test            01/01/70 00:00      
   Gate current            01/01/70 00:00      
   "empirical" learning...            01/01/70 00:00      
      read the material...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I believe he is using a MOSFET here            01/01/70 00:00      
            kit            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is DC output            01/01/70 00:00      
               POOF BOOM            01/01/70 00:00      
   what about this circuit?            01/01/70 00:00      
   IRFZ48N and a circuit, this one can fit?            01/01/70 00:00      
      A little bit easier link            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thanks Per            01/01/70 00:00      
            The longest road from a to b            01/01/70 00:00      
               The problem is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Hope, you will find the time...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RGB Controller            01/01/70 00:00      
                           do you need it that bright            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Bar and some info            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sure you can            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hard to adjust intensity by changing voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Simple scheme...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Very nice!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 HC32 and not KTC32            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    maybe another CI?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes most hc is ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Same HCs to switch ULN2803?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Logic Level MOSFET            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you can - wth a caveat            01/01/70 00:00      
   Can I ask a color question?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Start a new thread            01/01/70 00:00      
         Interpolate in RGB or HSV but not in your tabulated index.            01/01/70 00:00      
            linear interpolations...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Standard interpolation            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that depends            01/01/70 00:00      
         right subject            01/01/70 00:00      
      your premises are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
      If you answer a question...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Just tests, no MOSFETs yet...            01/01/70 00:00      
            The ULN2803 will ruin your colors!            01/01/70 00:00      
               when doing color            01/01/70 00:00      
               miss the point... the point is the color generation...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Help with what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  already answered            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Have you seen my link?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, but dont helps...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        as usual            01/01/70 00:00      
                           not "SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC"            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Use another look-up table...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Thats it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Copy from a professional solution...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Youtube has some nice videos...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              you've got it wrong and what are you doing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I care Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    why are you "going through steps"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Kai videos?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Already been told            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             HSV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Now I'm confused            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Still never telling what you do want            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you are going for an intensity ratio ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I see no contradiction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I think it was incrementing of the index that was the proble            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Chico, are you getting it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  He should have enough information now...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     that is often the problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Words fail me...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  How to add            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     You don't have paletted device so stop thinking about index            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        only 125 colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Smooth? Sudden? This make no sense!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              I'm tired from guessing, Chico...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           So you haven't read what we have posted?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Thats it Kai...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            place my 125 unchangeable colors in a nice sequence in this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Lacks words for me!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  You need more levels.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  See previous suggestions!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            only 32 words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            what is "nice sequence"? and for what purpose?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            A Color Sequence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Gives color jumps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Missing backslash in previous post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Look at the example cited earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     not a good one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Starting point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           my thought is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Did I get you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 sort of            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    You are so full of yourself...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       "web safe" colors available in standard VGA color palette            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          right, you compensate for this by ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Note that candela hides the eyes spectral response            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                true, and            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   But he doesn't want his solution to be better - just differe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                      I give up suggesting better and simpler ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       with "binary weighing" he gets 32738 colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Number of colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             for a LED sign: none            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Solve modulation first, then bother about constant-intensity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                not if you do as I suggested            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   You'll see a lot if slow-stepping changes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       How naive I was...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          I do not know, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             I still say...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Everything depends on needs - simplification often ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Gamma            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             If I were Chico...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Another Color Sequence...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Yet another sequence...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           another (better) approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Oops....Sawtooth File Deleted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  On its way...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Received and RePosted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        RE: wake up the cat            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Walking the RGB cube as described earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              the way to do it            01/01/70 00:00      

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