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06/10/10 02:59
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#176569 - what is "nice sequence"? and for what purpose?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Having 5+5+5 possible combinations doesn't mean that a "nice sequence" is a sequence of all these 125 colors.

1) 444, 443, 434, 344, are different colors, but the change is quite small for our eyes to see the absolute color difference. So a user stepping through colors to select one may decide that 125 is too many alternatives. But at the same time, the relative change is large enough that you can't get soft transitions. There is a huge difference between our eyes capacity for absolute color and relative color.

2) A "nice sequence" may potentially contain the same color multiple times. while the sequence steps around between different colors. But walking between colors does not require a lookup table to store all steps. It's enough with a table that contains the start and end colors of a transition and what curve/color space to use for the intermediate steps. And a "nice sequence" should normally not be too repetitive, which means that it shouldn't continuously do the exact same thing. So it's "nicer" to decide on maybe 8-16 target colors and then have a display randomly select one of the target colors and do a transition from current color to target color and then select the next target color randomly. In a color wheel, you get a "ball" that randomly visits different positions on the rim of the color wheel.

If you really do want the user to see the same sequence all the time then it's easier to just walk the wheel rim. Just change the angle in a HSV color space and continuously do the color transitions that you can see in Andy's linked image. A bit similar to walking the rainbow colors with the difference that the rim of the color wheel forms a loop so your first and last color is the same.

3) If the goal is for a user to select a color by using buttons or commands, then it's best to separate the color selection into the HSV parameters. Let the user select the hue separately from saturation and value. Or maybe it isn't even interesting to let the user select the intensity so maybe the user should only get a choice to select the position on the two-dimensional color wheel instead of also selecting the "height" i.e. the distance from the apex on the HSV cone.

But whenever you make a post, you always end up missing to answer the "why" part, just resulting in more and more open questions.

You still haven't told us why you think it's important to have a 125-entry table spanning "all" your colors.

And you haven't told us your new concept - what is a "nice sequence"?

And you have not asked us what problem you are trying to solve. An end user selecting a color? A device randomly selecting a fixed color for a number of seconds/minutes before selecting a different color? A device constantly gliding between colors (which do require way more than 125 colors to not look very irritatingly uggly)? Something else? A device that manually or automatically must be able to care about surrounding light levels and adjust the power output to the LEDs depending on if it is dark or light in the room? Anything else?

Don't you know what you are trying to solve? Or is the goal just to keep the forum members busy trying to second-guess you?

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IRF640 noob test            01/01/70 00:00      
   Gate current            01/01/70 00:00      
   "empirical" learning...            01/01/70 00:00      
      read the material...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I believe he is using a MOSFET here            01/01/70 00:00      
            kit            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is DC output            01/01/70 00:00      
               POOF BOOM            01/01/70 00:00      
   what about this circuit?            01/01/70 00:00      
   IRFZ48N and a circuit, this one can fit?            01/01/70 00:00      
      A little bit easier link            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thanks Per            01/01/70 00:00      
            The longest road from a to b            01/01/70 00:00      
               The problem is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Hope, you will find the time...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RGB Controller            01/01/70 00:00      
                           do you need it that bright            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Bar and some info            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sure you can            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hard to adjust intensity by changing voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Simple scheme...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Very nice!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 HC32 and not KTC32            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    maybe another CI?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes most hc is ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Same HCs to switch ULN2803?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Logic Level MOSFET            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you can - wth a caveat            01/01/70 00:00      
   Can I ask a color question?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Start a new thread            01/01/70 00:00      
         Interpolate in RGB or HSV but not in your tabulated index.            01/01/70 00:00      
            linear interpolations...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Standard interpolation            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that depends            01/01/70 00:00      
         right subject            01/01/70 00:00      
      your premises are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
      If you answer a question...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Just tests, no MOSFETs yet...            01/01/70 00:00      
            The ULN2803 will ruin your colors!            01/01/70 00:00      
               when doing color            01/01/70 00:00      
               miss the point... the point is the color generation...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Help with what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  already answered            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Have you seen my link?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, but dont helps...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        as usual            01/01/70 00:00      
                           not "SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC"            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Use another look-up table...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Thats it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Copy from a professional solution...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Youtube has some nice videos...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              you've got it wrong and what are you doing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I care Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    why are you "going through steps"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Kai videos?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Already been told            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             HSV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Now I'm confused            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Still never telling what you do want            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you are going for an intensity ratio ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I see no contradiction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I think it was incrementing of the index that was the proble            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Chico, are you getting it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  He should have enough information now...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     that is often the problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Words fail me...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  How to add            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     You don't have paletted device so stop thinking about index            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        only 125 colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Smooth? Sudden? This make no sense!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              I'm tired from guessing, Chico...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           So you haven't read what we have posted?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Thats it Kai...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            place my 125 unchangeable colors in a nice sequence in this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Lacks words for me!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  You need more levels.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  See previous suggestions!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            only 32 words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            what is "nice sequence"? and for what purpose?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            A Color Sequence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Gives color jumps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Missing backslash in previous post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Look at the example cited earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     not a good one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Starting point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           my thought is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Did I get you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 sort of            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    You are so full of yourself...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       "web safe" colors available in standard VGA color palette            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          right, you compensate for this by ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Note that candela hides the eyes spectral response            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                true, and            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   But he doesn't want his solution to be better - just differe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                      I give up suggesting better and simpler ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       with "binary weighing" he gets 32738 colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Number of colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             for a LED sign: none            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Solve modulation first, then bother about constant-intensity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                not if you do as I suggested            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   You'll see a lot if slow-stepping changes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       How naive I was...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          I do not know, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             I still say...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Everything depends on needs - simplification often ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Gamma            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             If I were Chico...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Another Color Sequence...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Yet another sequence...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           another (better) approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Oops....Sawtooth File Deleted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  On its way...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Received and RePosted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        RE: wake up the cat            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Walking the RGB cube as described earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              the way to do it            01/01/70 00:00      

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