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06/12/10 15:55
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#176619 - So you haven't read what we have posted?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Chico Magalhães said:
Per, I think you have not understood, I dont want smoothing between, smoothing in transitions, I just need a color index using my 125 colors, but better arranged to not happen that ugly thing that every 5 steps the red sudenly lights off... I dont want to animate nothing, it is just a color selector!

Did you actually read what I have posted several times in this thread?

I have explicitly noted that what you don't like about your selector is the sawtooth results you get for the individual color channels when you merge the states of the three color channels by doing r + N*g + N*N*b where N is the number of intensity levels for a single channel.

And I did explicitly tell you that you need to create an area-filling (or actually volume-filling since R + G + B forms three dimensions) walk through the RGB cube to get a combined index that does't result in any large jumps for any single color channel channel.

Have you still not bothered to read this post?
http://www.8052.com/forum/read/176589

How much help do you think you can expect if you completely refuses to read the answers you get. You seem to read the first 5 words and then decide that you know what the post is about. Then you respond with a random "That is not what I want" or "That is not relevant" or "You have not understood".

We not only have understood but are five steps in front of you.

But the big issue we have not understood is why you think that it would be a good idea to have a table that walks all 125 color combinations while minimizing the color changes for any one color channel. It is so much simpler to just walk the edge of the color circle which is exactly what is described in the image Andy has posted twice (http://www.8052.com/forum/read/176591) and is also exactly what happens if using Michael Karas second Excel solution (http://www.8052.com/forum/read/176593).

So please will you now start to play this in a practical way.

Do read through all commends you have received in this thread.

Then start acting on the advice you have received.

Do get back if there is something you don't understand, but then do as many times suggested: Concentrate on giving a real description about what problem you are having and what you are trying to accomplish instead of making posts that just gives rise to new questions.

Right now, your attention span seems to be miniscule. You have constantly refused to tell what you think you should use your color selector to. It doesn't matter what permutation of colors you have in your table. A combined color selector will still not:
- allow a meaningful walk through different colors like the video
- allow a nice change from color A to color B
- take into account the difference between changing color value, color purity or light intensity.

And you have said that you don't need smooth color changes, but have explicitly said that "that way is good for me" about the video that animates the colors with smoth color gradients.

A lamp that randomly walks through a lot of strange colors whenever you turn it on (walk from black through 123 intermediate colors until reaching white) is useless.

A lamp that allows the user to select a color should have an interface that is intiutive, which means that it should use RGB or HSV to let the user select three parameters individually instead of just pressing "next" and "prev" to step through an unknown number of color alternatives - sometimes getting more light, and sometimes less light while maybe somewhere find the wanted blue hue.

A lamp that switches color on it's own should separate light intensity from color, so that the user may select the intensity and the lamp then changes hues without changing the general intensity.

I'm not sure, but I think your problem is that you for the life of you can't understand that you are talking about a three-dimensional selection problem. At the same time, you are ignoring that our eyes have big limitations when it comes to identifying unique colors (which is a great advantage since our brain autocalibrates itself based on surrounding color temperature. We can see "white" at high noon but still see things at white when lit by a very red sun just before sunset) while we are very sensitive to relative color changes. The eye is designed to span a huge dynamic range between pitch black and blinding white, but we are hunters with good capacity for edge-detection to allow us to see camouflaged objects.

Physiological and psychological processes in your brains demands that a designer must take the viewer into account when working with coloring or lighting. This thread has 94 posts and you still haven't told us what "product" you are trying to design. If you don't even know yourself, then it is obviously impossible to discuss functionallity, usability, perception, ...

The quality of any answers you can get is 99.9% controlled by how well you are managing to focus on what your goal is. Right now, it can best be summed up as: "You, Chico, have not understood what you, Chico, wants." Until you understand what your needs are, it doesn't help if you write that we don't understand what you want/need.

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   "empirical" learning...            01/01/70 00:00      
      read the material...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I believe he is using a MOSFET here            01/01/70 00:00      
            kit            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is DC output            01/01/70 00:00      
               POOF BOOM            01/01/70 00:00      
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   IRFZ48N and a circuit, this one can fit?            01/01/70 00:00      
      A little bit easier link            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thanks Per            01/01/70 00:00      
            The longest road from a to b            01/01/70 00:00      
               The problem is...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Hope, you will find the time...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RGB Controller            01/01/70 00:00      
                           do you need it that bright            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Bar and some info            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sure you can            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hard to adjust intensity by changing voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Simple scheme...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Very nice!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 HC32 and not KTC32            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    maybe another CI?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes most hc is ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Same HCs to switch ULN2803?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Logic Level MOSFET            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you can - wth a caveat            01/01/70 00:00      
   Can I ask a color question?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Start a new thread            01/01/70 00:00      
         Interpolate in RGB or HSV but not in your tabulated index.            01/01/70 00:00      
            linear interpolations...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Standard interpolation            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that depends            01/01/70 00:00      
         right subject            01/01/70 00:00      
      your premises are wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
      If you answer a question...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Just tests, no MOSFETs yet...            01/01/70 00:00      
            The ULN2803 will ruin your colors!            01/01/70 00:00      
               when doing color            01/01/70 00:00      
               miss the point... the point is the color generation...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Help with what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  already answered            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Have you seen my link?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, but dont helps...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        as usual            01/01/70 00:00      
                           not "SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC"            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Use another look-up table...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Thats it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Copy from a professional solution...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Youtube has some nice videos...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              you've got it wrong and what are you doing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I care Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    why are you "going through steps"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Kai videos?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Already been told            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             HSV            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Now I'm confused            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Still never telling what you do want            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you are going for an intensity ratio ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I see no contradiction...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I think it was incrementing of the index that was the proble            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Chico, are you getting it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  He should have enough information now...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     that is often the problem ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Words fail me...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  How to add            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     You don't have paletted device so stop thinking about index            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        only 125 colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Smooth? Sudden? This make no sense!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              I'm tired from guessing, Chico...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           So you haven't read what we have posted?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Thats it Kai...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            place my 125 unchangeable colors in a nice sequence in this            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Lacks words for me!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  You need more levels.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  See previous suggestions!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            only 32 words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            what is "nice sequence"? and for what purpose?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            A Color Sequence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Gives color jumps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Missing backslash in previous post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Look at the example cited earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     not a good one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Starting point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           my thought is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Did I get you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 sort of            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    You are so full of yourself...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       "web safe" colors available in standard VGA color palette            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          right, you compensate for this by ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Note that candela hides the eyes spectral response            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                true, and            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   But he doesn't want his solution to be better - just differe            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                      I give up suggesting better and simpler ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       with "binary weighing" he gets 32738 colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Number of colors            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             for a LED sign: none            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Solve modulation first, then bother about constant-intensity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                not if you do as I suggested            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                   You'll see a lot if slow-stepping changes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       How naive I was...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          I do not know, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             I still say...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Everything depends on needs - simplification often ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Gamma            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             If I were Chico...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Another Color Sequence...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Yet another sequence...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           another (better) approach            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Oops....Sawtooth File Deleted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  On its way...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Received and RePosted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        RE: wake up the cat            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Walking the RGB cube as described earlier            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              the way to do it            01/01/70 00:00      

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