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09/02/09 05:41
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 		 #168685 - 2 wrongs make a right?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik Malund said:
between contracts I had a look at Dice and about every other job is for 'testing', 'verification' or some such

Is it sad that todays developers produce such crap that as many 'testers' as developers are needed?
OR
Is it wonderful that the companies have learned to not ship things that are not fully tested?

I'll hold my opinion till later

Erik

PS how good will the product be if you have an incompetent developer and an incompetent tester?

PPS are the testers failed developers?

It seems some companies believe 2 wrongs make a right! ;-)
So they feel it will turn out right.

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TopicAuthorDate
is it sad or is it wonderful?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Confucious            01/01/70 00:00      
   It's due to loss of rigor in the product development cycle            01/01/70 00:00      
      strawman again.            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's where the problem lies ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      A good aim, but unachievable in practice?            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's a cultural artifact            01/01/70 00:00      
            I can imagine Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
               you haven't answered the question, Jez            01/01/70 00:00      
                  erm, dunno            01/01/70 00:00      
            Second to MArket            01/01/70 00:00      
               They didn't do that during that era ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Bismarck was quite efficient            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's a poor tradeoff, security against schedule            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Quantity and quality seldom combinable            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Please do get your facts straight, Per            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Don't ignore psychology            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Cannon ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The Dora, possibly.            01/01/70 00:00      
            not my quote, but in some article I read ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Too expensive is the killer, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Price is not everything            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Do you think this applies to things you can't see?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        not so often            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That would have no impact at all, but for the sticker            01/01/70 00:00      
      mental hardware guy            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well, you fit my model of a software guy            01/01/70 00:00      
            huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Big generation issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You're right ... I'm not            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Richard likes his random pseudo facts            01/01/70 00:00      
                        My situation is not like yours, Per            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's an extraordinary working arrangement, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I don't dislike the land-line phone ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 on phone etc.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the inventor of the cellphone could have made a fortune            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    This is what's evolved over the decades.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Sounding quite sad            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I'm not trying to grow a labor pool            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 You are ignoring the value of feedback            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I'm not at all sure I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Still thinking a developer will reach a magic 100% level            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The customer is always right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Definitely a lesson there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Perhaps, but they're one in a billion.            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not everyone fits in every organization.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  re: not everyone ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Erlacher Logic            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Now when did I say that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Apparently you can't pick up on the subtleties ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   well..            01/01/70 00:00      
   In fact            01/01/70 00:00      
   So yeah            01/01/70 00:00      
      That IS a problem, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dice?            01/01/70 00:00      
      used for gambling...            01/01/70 00:00      
      http://www.dice.com            01/01/70 00:00      
   Devolution            01/01/70 00:00      
   2 wrongs make a right?            01/01/70 00:00      
   One of the major problems we have            01/01/70 00:00      
      Design-for-test is the answer            01/01/70 00:00      
         you are quite right Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
            "Proven-Product" syndrome            01/01/70 00:00      

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