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07/03/09 10:58
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#166704 - Clarifying, Erik, Kai
Responding to: ???'s previous message
if the VDD monitor holds the chip in reset WGASA about the "POR"

The idea was that, If the VDD monitor has nothing to do with POR, then atleat the POR time should be equal to typical VDD ramp time!! ie: assuming the start of the VDD ramp and the reset pulse coincided. But then reset pulse always starts at a later point, I suppose. Again, the assumption is that, this reset pulse resets everything that needs to be reset, or rather, this reset pulse delays everything that should be started up at a safer VDD point, to a later point!!

Again, the question is, how long is the reset pulse when you use the internal POR.
if you care about this (as in is it 200 or 500 ms) your design is faulty. NO ill effect should come from an extended reset, e.g. what would happen during a 2 sec brownout?.


On the contrary, I wanted a longer reset!! If I have a 150 ms reset pulse, then may be I can handle a 150 ms VDD ramp. But then if the oscilator doesn't start at all with that ramp time, then 150 ms reset won't help. But then again, I assume that the oscilator starts up before the POR reset point. If oscillator itself hasn't started up, then even a long POR can't do anything.

I did try to simulate slow VDD rise time using a variable supply.However slow I vary the VDD, the chip cranks up at 2.52 volts and works properly.
You have just proven that the Vdd monitor works

VDD monitoring was disabled in the code while doing this experiment.
which it never should be except if you have an external reset.


That is what I said aloud when I found it starting up properly at 2.52 volts. But then when I received the email from the chip manufacturer himself confirming that there is no VDD connection to the POR, then I was disappointed. I turned off the VDD monitor just for experimenting - to see what happens when the voltage goes below 2.7 volts, which is the VRST point.

Just a small question to Kaai. What do you say that MAX1232 doesn't work well with active-low reset chips? An active low is an active low isn't it?


Raj Nambiar

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TopicAuthorDate
soft-start powersupply and controllers            01/01/70 00:00      
   supervisor chip or processor with good brownout detection            01/01/70 00:00      
      Per gives a good solution if you can tolerate restarts            01/01/70 00:00      
   Long rise times of Vcc are critical!            01/01/70 00:00      
      replace the 7805            01/01/70 00:00      
         Lot of information            01/01/70 00:00      
            look at PowerTrends (TI)            01/01/70 00:00      
            Some answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Bigget reset capacitor and resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it is NOT the capacitor value            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I partially disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           disagree with what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              With thinking only in a reset chip.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Use the reset chip to reset the powersupply            01/01/70 00:00      
                        How about $0.15            01/01/70 00:00      
                     A small clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                        3 pin regulators with uvlo            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Eh ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Only a clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Steve, I meant turning on MCU supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                        and power down            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Erik, brown-out is handled by Silabs MCU!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Did I miss that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But Erik...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    In application notes, direct pull-ups have been used...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       some idiot, not there any more ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          You seem to be wrong about the capacitor, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Not necessarily...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             the risetime has nothing to do with reset ... unless            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             which SiLabs part?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Andy..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   SILabs urban legends            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Interesting...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         you may            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Thank you, I really appreciate it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Clarifying, Erik, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         The reset from the supply monitor will be there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Good advice...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I am guilty of not recalling all differences            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Only open-drain but not push-pull!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Good one, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            why the 'love' of the MAX1232?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               True, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Have you seen this post?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Have you seen this post?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Turn on your brain, Erik, and read what I wrote!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           a picture is worth 1000 words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              So you haven't read the words??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I was suggesting him the MAX1232...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, even more demanding...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Bigger, not bigget            01/01/70 00:00      
   Only external electronics can help you            01/01/70 00:00      
   Scheme to provide fast turn-on after full discharge            01/01/70 00:00      
      Regulator with output enable            01/01/70 00:00      
         You never exactly know what you get...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Bypass caps            01/01/70 00:00      
               Please don't stress this scheme too much...            01/01/70 00:00      

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