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06/19/09 13:52
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#166257 - Long rise times of Vcc are critical!
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That you should use a proper reset chip with brown-out detection like the MAX1232, I usually use, is evident. But, not widely known, many micros do not like long rise times of Vcc! You need not to be Richard to be worried about this issue, there are hard facts. The built-in Pierce oscillator can stay dead when Vcc rises very slowly! The reason for this is, that a standard Pierce oscillator needs either lots of noise or a steep Vcc ramp to start to oscillate. Manufacturing tolerances of the transconductance of oscillator-FET and temperature drifts can really make that your Pierce oscillator refuses to start properly. Then, even the best brown-out detector will not help.

Long Vcc rise times can also corrupt the sophisticated internal timing of a microcontroller. Think of the internal supply voltage generation for the substrate and flash programming section, for instance. Micros are built for a fast Vcc rise time. If I remember correctly, then I have seen a specification of "no more than 10msec" in the original 8051 datasheet from Intel. Also, some Cygnal micros had a "no more than 5msec" specs, if I remember correctly.

Micros having their sophisticated internal timing corrupted often quit this with a dangerous lock-up, a state where the micro seems to be dead but becomes abnormeously hot! Only a full power-down followed by a proper power-up can make him become alive again, provided that it has survived the lock-up!

Kai

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TopicAuthorDate
soft-start powersupply and controllers            01/01/70 00:00      
   supervisor chip or processor with good brownout detection            01/01/70 00:00      
      Per gives a good solution if you can tolerate restarts            01/01/70 00:00      
   Long rise times of Vcc are critical!            01/01/70 00:00      
      replace the 7805            01/01/70 00:00      
         Lot of information            01/01/70 00:00      
            look at PowerTrends (TI)            01/01/70 00:00      
            Some answers...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Bigget reset capacitor and resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it is NOT the capacitor value            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I partially disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           disagree with what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              With thinking only in a reset chip.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Use the reset chip to reset the powersupply            01/01/70 00:00      
                        How about $0.15            01/01/70 00:00      
                     A small clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                        3 pin regulators with uvlo            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Eh ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Only a clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Steve, I meant turning on MCU supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                        and power down            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Erik, brown-out is handled by Silabs MCU!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Did I miss that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But Erik...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    In application notes, direct pull-ups have been used...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       some idiot, not there any more ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          You seem to be wrong about the capacitor, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Not necessarily...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             the risetime has nothing to do with reset ... unless            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             which SiLabs part?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Andy..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   SILabs urban legends            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Interesting...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         you may            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Thank you, I really appreciate it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Clarifying, Erik, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         The reset from the supply monitor will be there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Good advice...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I am guilty of not recalling all differences            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Only open-drain but not push-pull!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Good one, Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            why the 'love' of the MAX1232?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               True, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Have you seen this post?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Have you seen this post?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Turn on your brain, Erik, and read what I wrote!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           a picture is worth 1000 words            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              So you haven't read the words??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               I was suggesting him the MAX1232...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well, even more demanding...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Bigger, not bigget            01/01/70 00:00      
   Only external electronics can help you            01/01/70 00:00      
   Scheme to provide fast turn-on after full discharge            01/01/70 00:00      
      Regulator with output enable            01/01/70 00:00      
         You never exactly know what you get...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Bypass caps            01/01/70 00:00      
               Please don't stress this scheme too much...            01/01/70 00:00      

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